Changing Jets?

[68c]

The oven in our van takes ages to heat and never gets that hot. I have wondered about fitting larger jets. As I will have to remove the oven from the van to get at the jet I thought I could experiment out in the garden. Perhaps get a couple of jet sizes so hopefully sort it. Is this a mad idea? The oven is a SMEV with an external flue through the roof. We have refillable bottle using Autogas at 30mb.

 

[Basildog]

Because you want to give the customer as much choice as possible....?

What planet am I on....?

AFAIK The manufacturers of the fridge, hob and heater in my MH all state they can run on LPG, so there shouldn't be a problem. Unless of course Rapido (et al) either don't want to argue the toss as to who pays for any warranty replacements? Or perhaps just want to limit the amount of replacements.

Let’s try and explain the situation in a way that hopefully helps everyone understand.
There are actually 3 families of gas
1. Town gas etc from coal , oil etc
2. Natural gas and substitute natural gas
3 . Liquified petroleum gases referred to as LPG
So LPG is basically Butane and Propane or a mixture of both.
Too many companies, manufacturers, converters , owners get confused by this.
So let’s say that there are predominately 2 different ways of obtaining LPG in the leisure industry, you either have exchangeable cylinders that you rent and return to be filled or you buy your own refillable LPG tank , cylinders, bottles, whatever you choose to call them .
So exchangeable cylinders are normally available as either Propane or Butane so very simple to understand.
LPG , Autogas , GPL at the pump where you fill your automobile propulsion system or with Leisure vehicle use , the habitation gas tank , cylinders , bottles.
At the pump in the Uk you will get Propane , but in different countries especially warmer climates you can get up to 65 % Butane .
So as for regulators and pressure etc , ignore what 95% of what you will be told
In simple terms
Natural gas 21 mbar
Butane 28 - 30 mbar
Propane 37 mbar .
Here is the more complicated part , for Leisure vehicles so caravans and Motorhomes , campers etc the regulator is 30mbar for all LPG so both Butane and Propane.
You will hear many people mentioning bulkhead regulators being the only acceptable option, Ignore them .
30 mbar Leisure vehicle regulators are readily available in both bottle mounted and bulkhead mounted models.
The important part is that most bottle mounted regulators aren’t suitable for use in leisure vehicles as they are very cheap, basic single stage regulators that do not incorporate the required over pressure protection that a dedicated Leisure vehicle regulator will do .
Basically the cheap red ( Propane ) 37 mbar and blue (butane ) regulators are designed for OUTDOOR USE ONLY, so a bbq etc .
Too many manufacturers have jumped on the LPG is dirty and won’t warranty your appliances etc , the truth is that the Calor lorry is sitting next to the Northern energy lorry at the same depot taking on the same Propane whether it is going to our LPG pump or the Calor propane cylinder.
Yes you may well get poor quality LPG in Africa ( Morocco) it then you will see idiots filling their LPG tanks with inverted Moroccan cylinders

 

[Pilote87]

Salut!

You did well to get it registered by all accounts, maybe being a European marque helped?

I have read about the metal restraints, which shouldn't be a problem, my next question on the Rapido FB page is whether I can install the bottles and filler point myself, or if it has to be done by a professional and then certified. Knowing just how many rules and regs have to be waded through here, I think I know the answer.

Bonsoir lebowski

The man who did the inspection knew I had carried out the installation. I have chatted with sales people in camping car dealerships about refillable gas systems and the majority of them hold stock of Gaslow bottles, hoses, filler connections, etc.

I haven't enquired, but I don't think there are any restrictions on who carries out the installation.

John

 

[lebowski]

Let’s try and explain the situation in a way that hopefully helps everyone understand.
There are actually 3 families of gas
1. Town gas etc from coal , oil etc
2. Natural gas and substitute natural gas
3 . Liquified petroleum gases referred to as LPG
So LPG is basically Butane and Propane or a mixture of both.
Too many companies, manufacturers, converters , owners get confused by this.
So let’s say that there are predominately 2 different ways of obtaining LPG in the leisure industry, you either have exchangeable cylinders that you rent and return to be filled or you buy your own refillable LPG tank , cylinders, bottles, whatever you choose to call them .
So exchangeable cylinders are normally available as either Propane or Butane so very simple to understand.
LPG , Autogas , GPL at the pump where you fill your automobile propulsion system or with Leisure vehicle use , the habitation gas tank , cylinders , bottles.
At the pump in the Uk you will get Propane , but in different countries especially warmer climates you can get up to 65 % Butane .
So as for regulators and pressure etc , ignore what 95% of what you will be told
In simple terms
Natural gas 21 mbar
Butane 28 - 30 mbar
Propane 37 mbar .
Here is the more complicated part , for Leisure vehicles so caravans and Motorhomes , campers etc the regulator is 30mbar for all LPG so both Butane and Propane.
You will hear many people mentioning bulkhead regulators being the only acceptable option, Ignore them .
30 mbar Leisure vehicle regulators are readily available in both bottle mounted and bulkhead mounted models.
The important part is that most bottle mounted regulators aren’t suitable for use in leisure vehicles as they are very cheap, basic single stage regulators that do not incorporate the required over pressure protection that a dedicated Leisure vehicle regulator will do .
Basically the cheap red ( Propane ) 37 mbar and blue (butane ) regulators are designed for OUTDOOR USE ONLY, so a bbq etc .
Too many manufacturers have jumped on the LPG is dirty and won’t warranty your appliances etc , the truth is that the Calor lorry is sitting next to the Northern energy lorry at the same depot taking on the same Propane whether it is going to our LPG pump or the Calor propane cylinder.
Yes you may well get poor quality LPG in Africa ( Morocco) it then you will see idiots filling their LPG tanks with inverted Moroccan cylinders

Thank you for taking the time to type all of that and for explaining it so well.

 

[lebowski]

Thank you to everyone who has replied to my question.

Got to love a school day.

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