Change to overtaking cyclists.

My old pal Pete has become a real Misthanthrope in his old age ,he hate 99% of humanity but has a spoecial dislike of cyclists , he has a old Discovery and a PA speaker ,, every time he passes a ''sicklist'' he shout out Wabbit !!!!!!! or some other lovely insult .... its really embarrassing hanging out with the dear old soul ...But he is a very old friend since we were kids , he used to be everyones best friend ha ha .
 
Nope….just to pay for contributing to building more cycle lanes that are used by cyclists!
Need to up the tax on cars too then. VED comes up significantly short on the annual cost of road maintenance.

The reality is that cyclists are taxes do already contribute towards the cost of the roads.

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Need to up the tax on cars too then. VED comes up significantly short on the annual cost of road maintenance.

The reality is that cyclists are taxes do already contribute towards the cost of the roads.
Non road users also contribute to road building and maintenance. Motorists (mainly) pay more tax by way of VED etc. It could look like cyclists want everything but don’t want to contribute more to pay for it and their own dedicated lanes, markings etc. No checks for fitness to safely cycle on roads, no checks for roadworthiness of cycles, no requirement for safety equipment to ensure their own and others safety.
As somebody involved in cycle training for more than 20 years I’m glad I no longer do it.
 
Non road users also contribute to road building and maintenance. Motorists (mainly) pay more tax by way of VED etc. It could look like cyclists want everything but don’t want to contribute more to pay for it and their own dedicated lanes, markings etc. No checks for fitness to safely cycle on roads, no checks for roadworthiness of cycles, no requirement for safety equipment to ensure their own and others safety.
As somebody involved in cycle training for more than 20 years I’m glad I no longer do it.
Bikes weigh a few kg and have about quarter of a horse power pushing them forwards. A car weighs about 100 times more and has several hundred times that power. On an urban road, the car is carrying about 100 times the kinetic energy. That's why cars have far higher safety checks and regulations.
 
Bikes weigh a few kg and have about quarter of a horse power pushing them forwards. A car weighs about 100 times more and has several hundred times that power. On an urban road, the car is carrying about 100 times the kinetic energy. That's why cars have far higher safety checks and regulations.
….and a cyclist who is not safe to be on the roads can still cause chaos with no real way of stopping them from continuing to do so. An unsafe cycle is still that.
 
How does that work in a 20kmh limit lots of them now in Spain, I think it could be difficult to overtake a cycles when stationary. 🤣
Sure you’ve got a piece of electronic wizardry for that occasion? 😂

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Bikes weigh a few kg and have about quarter of a horse power pushing them forwards. A car weighs about 100 times more and has several hundred times that power. On an urban road, the car is carrying about 100 times the kinetic energy. That's why cars have far higher safety checks and regulations.
I'd like to think that I'm at least one horse power!

But to be fair, I cant be sure as I've never seen a horse riding a bike
 
I disagree. Everyone has equal right to use the road safely. Car drivers shouldn't selfishly put other road users at risk because they want to get somewhere faster.
To be pedantic;
Everyone does NOT have an equal right to use the road.

Pedestrians, horses/cattle and cyclists have a free RIGHT to use the road.
(And within those rights, pedestrians have to make way for horse riders, horse riders have to make way for 'marching bodies of men', cart drivers (with or without a horse) and cyclists have to make way for all.)

Those in mechanically driven vehicles have no right to way at all.
They must pay an annual fee for a one year licence to enable a shared use of the road.

The annual fee these days is called Vehicle tax, and/or fuel tax and/or Car licence fee depending on the country.

Next time you shout at a cyclist/pedestrian/horse rider/sheep/protest march ambling down the centre of the road to:
"Get out of the bloody way, do you think you own the road"
The reply should be "Yes, I do!"
 
To be pedantic;
Everyone does NOT have an equal right to use the road.

Pedestrians, horses/cattle and cyclists have a free RIGHT to use the road.
(And within those rights, pedestrians have to make way for horse riders, horse riders have to make way for 'marching bodies of men', cart drivers (with or without a horse) and cyclists have to make way for all.)

Those in mechanically driven vehicles have no right to way at all.
They must pay an annual fee for a one year licence to enable a shared use of the road.

The annual fee these days is called Vehicle tax, and/or fuel tax and/or Car licence fee depending on the country.

Next time you shout at a cyclist/pedestrian/horse rider/sheep/protest march ambling down the centre of the road to:
"Get out of the bloody way, do you think you own the road"
The reply should be "Yes, I do!"
Not in Spain....where the post originated...Lycra rules the road...🥳🚴🏿🚴🏿🚴🏿🚴🏿🚴🏿
 
Nope….just to pay for contributing to building more cycle lanes that are used by cyclists!
On the contrary surely making cycling as cheap and safe as possible encourages people to not use cars, which eases congestion for those that wont or cant cycle?

Cycling also has many health benefits which also eases pressure on the NHS.

And its clearly better for the environment.

Should tax also be applied to kids?
 
Not in Spain....where the post originated...Lycra rules the road...🥳🚴🏿🚴🏿🚴🏿🚴🏿🚴🏿
The rules are broadly the same across Europe, as they were laid down long before mechanically powered vehicles were invented.

Cyclists got lumped in with horse and hand cart drivers (basically anything with wheels)
 
What a joy it now is (being an ardent cyclist), living in France. Road cycling in West Yorkshire would entail half a dozen proper near misses on every single ride. I've had one in the last 28 months and many thousands of miles here in France. traffic is far lighter but..the important thing is that the law tends to side with the cyclist rather than the motorist....so motorists are far more careful around and overtaking cyclists. Something the UK Govt attempted to do a 3 years ago with their 'Hierarchy of Road Users'...it seems they've failed miserably if comments on here are anything to go by....


(Quite often...dodgy overtakes in the UK usually ended up with me catching the errant motorist a mile or 3 up the road, sat in traffic...the notion that a cyclist 'holds up a motorists progress' is more often than not, utter nonsense.)
 
In Asia and Africa the rule of the road is the biggest meanest vehicles rule and everyone else dodges around them,, Size matters
There must be a lot of UK drivers, especially in rural England, that appear to have passed their test whilst serving abroad when we still had an Empire.
Judging by the way they drive, it would seem to be they are adhering to the African/Asian 'might is right' "rule".
 
On the contrary surely making cycling as cheap and safe as possible encourages people to not use cars, which eases congestion for those that wont or cant cycle?

Cycling also has many health benefits which also eases pressure on the NHS.

And its clearly better for the environment.

Should tax also be applied to kids?
Taxes can be applied to whoever the elected govt of the day chooses to. Some may agree that where infrastructure is built to suit those who use it that they may be asked to make a contribution towards it. Raising taxes is generally for a general pool rather than individual parts of the economy. Why shouldn’t cyclists pay into the pot?

Perhaps making gym membership free would encourage people to be fitter and healthier. I haven’t seen the government proposing that? I’m sure that ev’s are better for the environment but are the govt not taxing their use as well?

‘Won’t or can’t cycle’… 😉

Children are subject to tax. Income tax is primary example.

Cyclists don’t want to pay…….there always have reasons as to why not.
 
Taxes can be applied to whoever the elected govt of the day chooses to. Some may agree that where infrastructure is built to suit those who use it that they may be asked to make a contribution towards it. Raising taxes is generally for a general pool rather than individual parts of the economy. Why shouldn’t cyclists pay into the pot?

Perhaps making gym membership free would encourage people to be fitter and healthier. I haven’t seen the government proposing that? I’m sure that ev’s are better for the environment but are the govt not taxing their use as well?

‘Won’t or can’t cycle’… 😉

Children are subject to tax. Income tax is primary example.

Cyclists don’t want to pay…….there always have reasons as to why not.
Perhaps cyclists should get some money back (the vast majority are taxpayers)...on the whole they are less likely to need NHS services so much and as we tax sugary drinks and alcohol as it's bad for the health....give some of that cash back to cyclists to improve their steeds, nice new kit...maybe a cyclshirt with "I pay less tax' emblazoned across the back. Excellent stuff.

(PS....there are NHS Gym referrals in existance...happy days)
 
Especially interesting is that cyclists are now allowed to overtake on either side of motor vehicle.
They have always done that anyway, the problem is that the ars***les don't respect that same 1,5M as we have to, so a scrape down the side of your vehicle is imminent and of course they have no insurance so unlucky you.

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Taxes can be applied to whoever the elected govt of the day chooses to. Some may agree that where infrastructure is built to suit those who use it that they may be asked to make a contribution towards it. Raising taxes is generally for a general pool rather than individual parts of the economy. Why shouldn’t cyclists pay into the pot?

Perhaps making gym membership free would encourage people to be fitter and healthier. I haven’t seen the government proposing that? I’m sure that ev’s are better for the environment but are the govt not taxing their use as well?

‘Won’t or can’t cycle’… 😉

Children are subject to tax. Income tax is primary example.

Cyclists don’t want to pay…….there always have reasons as to why not.
Of course tax can be applied at the instigation of the government to whoever but cyclists really?

Gyms dont really improve fitness in comparison to outdoor activities such as running, cycling etc

Perhaps tax pedestrians too?
 
They have always done that anyway, the problem is that the ars***les don't respect that same 1,5M as we have to, so a scrape down the side of your vehicle is imminent and of course they have no insurance so unlucky you.
Thought experiment:
Place a hammer on a table. Then slap down your hand next to it.

Now place you hand on the table and have someone slam now the hammer right next to your hand.

Maybe the big heavy thing that can squish you flesh ought to give more clearance when it's the one moving at speed?
 
Of course tax can be applied at the instigation of the government to whoever but cyclists really?

Gyms dont really improve fitness in comparison to outdoor activities such as running, cycling etc

Perhaps tax pedestrians too?
If you want to…I didn’t suggest that but if you so wish.
 
Thought experiment:
Place a hammer on a table. Then slap down your hand next to it.

Now place you hand on the table and have someone slam now the hammer right next to your hand.

Maybe the big heavy thing that can squish you flesh ought to give more clearance when it's the one moving at speed?
No, not a fair comparison at all. If it's 1,5M it's 1,5M for everyone.
 
Perhaps cyclists should get some money back (the vast majority are taxpayers)...on the whole they are less likely to need NHS services so much and as we tax sugary drinks and alcohol as it's bad for the health....give some of that cash back to cyclists to improve their steeds, nice new kit...maybe a cyclshirt with "I pay less tax' emblazoned across the back. Excellent stuff.

(PS....there are NHS Gym referrals in existance...happy days)
If that’s what you want…….or they could contribute to those who can’t afford to heat their home or older people who need care…..but if you think cyclists will want it for themselves….your choice.

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