Cambelt change at 5 years

[BikerGraham]

I was advised by Citroen/Peugeot, in writing, that my van's cambelt schedule was 10 years !!!

I was also told my 2017 Bailey, which is on the Peugeot boxer is a 10 year change interval.

 

[Scout]

mine in being done now, inc water pump, at the fiat professional garage, not cheap, but when I come to sell it should help prove Ive looked after it as best as I can

 

[SteveandSueJ]

I was also told my 2017 Bailey, which is on the Peugeot boxer is a 10 year change interval.

My 2011 peugeot boxer is a chain... maybe they changed to belt in the newer models?

 

[Revolvor]

One evening, years ago, the engine cut out on my Ford Sierra as I slowed down and changed gear to turn into my drive. I maintained momentum enough to park up in the usual place. I called the RAC and they came and diagnosed a broken cam belt. They agreed they would take the car to our local Ford agent, and leave it on their forecourt.

The next morning, I phoned the garage to explain why there was an abandoned car on their premises. Their reply - "That's fine, we have replaced the cam belt and it's ready for collection!"

I was amazed, but grateful, and got a lift over to pick it up.

I later passed the car to my son, and about 5 years later the belt failed as he was accelerating hard. A couple of valves were bent, so it cost him a bit more to get it fixed.

 

[BikerGraham]

My 2011 peugeot boxer is a chain... maybe they changed to belt in the newer models?

yep they must have when the euro 6 HDI engine came in. Pity

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[bikerman0346]

It’s not cheap this motorhoming business is it ?

I bought our van on the strength that the belt had just been changed...it became noisy and found that they hadn't replaced the tensioners. It wasn't a requirement at the time but now they change the lot , including water pump. I'm a bit suspicious as it used to be an infrequent service requirement. I was lucky my belt was loose but hadn't slipped, its another factor in the running costs. It's a replacement engine 3k upwards second hand or 5k reconditioned if it breaks .

 

[newtonz]

This thread on cam belts is very unsettling, so I phoned my garage about my 2010 Rapido, Fiat Ducato, 3 litre diesel, and they told me mine was a chain and should last the life of the vehicle. Does anyone know differently?

 

[art]

The tentioner is in the kit. Never changed the water pump.

I think the reason water pump gets changed is the strip down to change cambelt you are able to.

 

[Ginster]

Hi Riverbankannie, I didn't get it changed in my car, the belt broke and wrecked the engine, car was a write off. I've had it changed in both my Motorhomes at 5 years, just not worth the risk considering your van is worth upwards of 50K and a cambelt change is approx £600

 

[kingspeed]

At my service today, I was advised that I should have the cambelt changed next year at 5 years. The reason given was that the cambelt is made of a material that can develop flat spots when left unused, like tyres. Implication, unspoken, that this could cause failure. My mileage is 5k per year and I make sure it’s run for a decent distance at least once a month.
Funster thoughts please

Hello. I have a Ducato that is 5 years old in March with 3455 miles covered . I have already booked it in for the cambelt change. Please forgive me if this sounds a little harsh, but I had my own small haulage firm up to retiring, and always used the same saying when it comes to maintenance. "Grease is cheaper than steel" and that goes for man-made material as well " What I can say to you is, if it wasn't changed and the result was catastrophic would you now say I wish I had changed it and not listened to anyone else. I do not know the cost yet, the garage will let me know when he has got all the prices in, but it more than likely cheaper than a new engine.
hope it helps you to decide. Good luck, and regards, Trevor.

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[Ginster]

This thread on cam belts is very unsettling, so I phoned my garage about my 2010 Rapido, Fiat Ducato, 3 litre diesel, and they told me mine was a chain and should last the life of the vehicle. Does anyone know differently?

I've been told the same thing so next car I bought had a chain!

 

[highwood122]

I changed mine on previous MH, motorhomes don't do the mileage but suffer from ageing (just like tyres). See what I wrote previously. The belt was OK to look at but look at the tensioner.
This fell apart on removal so the bang would be the tensioner failing, not the belt !!
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[highwood122]

I changed mine on previous MH, motorhomes don't do the mileage but suffer from ageing (just like tyres). See what I wrote previously. The belt was OK to look at but look at the tensioner.
This fell apart on removal so the bang would be the tensioner failing, not the belt !!
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[highwood122]

grease dried out through lack of use?

 

[Riverbankannie]

Hello. I have a Ducato that is 5 years old in March with 3455 miles covered . I have already booked it in for the cambelt change. Please forgive me if this sounds a little harsh, but I had my own small haulage firm up to retiring, and always used the same saying when it comes to maintenance. "Grease is cheaper than steel" and that goes for man-made material as well " What I can say to you is, if it wasn't changed and the result was catastrophic would you now say I wish I had changed it and not listened to anyone else. I do not know the cost yet, the garage will let me know when he has got all the prices in, but it more than likely cheaper than a new engine.
hope it helps you to decide. Good luck, and regards, Trevor.

That’s very nice of you to reply Trevor. I wrote that in November 2019 and indeed, the following year did have it changed at an independent garage with Gates parts.

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[Riverbankannie]

Hi Riverbankannie, I didn't get it changed in my car, the belt broke and wrecked the engine, car was a write off. I've had it changed in both my Motorhomes at 5 years, just not worth the risk considering your van is worth upwards of 50K and a cambelt change is approx £600

Thanks Ginster, I got it changed at 5 years which was in Nov 2020. I wrote the original post in 2019.

 

[Just smiffy]

This thread on cam belts is very unsettling, so I phoned my garage about my 2010 Rapido, Fiat Ducato, 3 litre diesel, and they told me mine was a chain and should last the life of the vehicle. Does anyone know differently?

My 2011 3.0ltr fiat ducato is chain driven…

 

[PeterE1947]

The 2.2 150 engine(known as the Puma I believe) is also chain driven and manufactured by Ford. However, it is the chain and the guides that can wear prematurely so ensure oil changes are frequent (I have it serviced every year). Also, it has a Diesel Particulate Filter and a Dual Mass Flywheel. More reasons to change the oil frequently. All these"improvements/developments are a wallet emptying incentive to proper servicing!!

 

[Clive Beeza]

I was likewise advised. I can;t remember the quote but it was several £££ hundreds.

I doubt that it really needed and is more about making money. I guess it's how lucky do you feel?

Sold the van for a new one and cancelled the belt change!!

That is bad advise, belts deteriorate both with mileage covered and age,
and a snapped belt, (
which normally happens when the engine is idling slowly
not spinning quickly as there is more of a jerking load
on the belt at low engine speed due to forces in turning the camshaft)
can destroy an engine, bent valves at best, cracked cylinder head,
or damaged cylinder bore or piston at worst.
I

 

[Clive Beeza]

At my service today, I was advised that I should have the cambelt changed next year at 5 years. The reason given was that the cambelt is made of a material that can develop flat spots when left unused, like tyres. Implication, unspoken, that this could cause failure. My mileage is 5k per year and I make sure it’s run for a decent distance at least once a month.
Funster thoughts please

get it changed ,
as you do not want to even think
of the cost of the damage
a snapped belt can cause

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[Clive Beeza]

This is a real problem. Does it need changing at 5 years or is it a money making exercise?
However I won't risk it.....

dependant on the make of the base vehicle
the manufacturers recommend normally
a mileage or age limit, as to when a change of belt should be carried out
check in your vehicle service book or check with a MAIN DEALER

 

[Riverbankannie]

get it changed ,
as you do not want to even think
of the cost of the damage
a snapped belt can cause

Thank you for your reply, however my post was in Nov 2019 and I had the cambelt changed at 5 years in Nov 2020.

 

[Clive Beeza]

It’s not cheap this motorhoming business is it ?

What price "peace of mind"

 

[Clive Beeza]

That's the other thing. I was told I needed to change the tensioner and the water pump too.

That is correct as the belt runs on all
three and they have bearings , so a good garage
to give a warranty want to change all the items
mentioned, as a kit

 

[Clive Beeza]

You know the dealer-speak...."whilst we are at it you should............etc.....etc....etc

I do not think that is the case here
the advise is sound

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[Nirvanauk]

dependant on the make of the base vehicle
the manufacturers recommend normally
a mileage or age limit, as to when a change of belt should be carried out
check in your vehicle service book or check with a MAIN DEALER

CRikey, I posted this over 3 years ago.

 

[Clive Beeza]

I can't be bothered to go out and look under the bonnet but does anyone know if the X244 (03) 2.8 JTD (Ducato) is belt or chain.. It's something I should do when I service it over winter as I don't know it's history despite the fact it's onl;y done 24K, she's 15 years old....
Judging by the tyres that were on it were well past their sell by date, I doubt the previous owners were the "regular maintenance" type.

If you don't know the service history
play safe and have the belt replaced

 

[Clive Beeza]

My 2.8 JTD is belt. When I bought Fanny nearly two years ago there was no accurate history so I changed the lot with a Gates kit within days of getting her home.

Clive

Wise Man

 

[Clive Beeza]

Back to the op question , cambelt change at 5 years old.
My question is when does 5 years start?
Mh registered in 2018 rapido 2017 model out of fiat factory 2016.
Not even looked at tyre date.

normally from date of registration
as that is the beginning of use

 

[Clive Beeza]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!
Don't know about "warranty" on FIAT parts but perhaps Suttons could advise on this. Would FIAT give a contribution if there was to be a catastrophic failure within a set period of time?
As an aside I believe Gates belts and Graf water pumps are well respected.
Think the "excess" costs will be you'll be paying "main dealer" hourly labour rates as opposed to "independent" rates.

Both your remarks are correct
Gates cambelt kits are well respected in the trade
and main dealer hourly rates are in excess of
competent private commercial repairers

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