Caen Ferry Terminal - Beware Illegal Immigrants

[Googlebot]

What facility

A facility to apply for asylum in the UK whilst in France. Smugglers disappear overnight as no incentive if you can apply while in France.

They stay in France whilst application processed, if denied, no visa, if accepted, come across and work and contribute immediately.

Easy, but that doesn’t distract us from other things while the current government demonises everyone against everyone instead of building a great economy.

 

[SpeedyDux]

A facility to apply for asylum in the UK whilst in France. Smugglers disappear overnight as no incentive if you can apply while in France.

They stay in France whilst application processed, if denied, no visa, if accepted, come across and work and contribute immediately.

Easy, but that doesn’t distract us from other things while the current government demonises everyone against everyone instead of building a great economy.

Why not encourage them to apply for asylum in France instead? If these migrants/refugees are going to be such great contributors to economic growth, that should be an incentive for the French government to fast-track their applications and give them work permits.

Asylum shopping is an abuse of human rights.

The idea that intrinsically the UK is their best option, and somehow living in the UK as a choice is a "right" needs to end.

 

[Googlebot]

If living in the UK was a right then they wouldn’t be dying trying to cross the channel.

Many have family here, or speak English. Let’s be honest, there must be a good reason as we are hardly welcoming them.

Where in the Human Rights Act does it say asylum shopping is a breach of it? I wasn’t aware of that?

 

[Spriddler]

Why not encourage them to apply for asylum in France instead? If these migrants/refugees are going to be such great contributors to economic growth, that should be an incentive for the French government to fast-track their applications and give them work permits.

But the migrants don't seem to want to remain in and work in France.

 

[Nyvern]

In France they live in tents. In the UK in hotels, fed and free NHS

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[Googlebot]

In France they live in tents. In the UK in hotels, fed and free NHS

Yes, if only we processed the applications abroad, or processed them quickly, like we did a few years ago. We would save a fortune.

They also eat in France and not all of them live in tents.

The NHS is free for all, I would much prefer the applications are processed quickly and those who are eligible contribute and those that aren’t are deported.

 

[DandJ]

Why not encourage them to apply for asylum in France instead?

But the migrants don't seem to want to remain in and work in France.

2022-23, (during a 1 yr period) The UK ended up with 52530 'irregular migrants'....France had 129000, Germany 197000.
Most of Europe is affected by this.

 

[nicholsong]

Are not there already facilities for asylum seekers to apply for UK asylum - Embassies and Consulates?

If asylum seekers in France are denied then what do the French so with them?

 

[Howard B]

The NHS is free for all

Wish that were true, cant find an NHS dentist anywhere. Its cost me over £1000 this last year for dental treatment. .

 

[Googlebot]

Are not there already facilities for asylum seekers to apply for UK asylum - Embassies and Consulates?

If asylum seekers in France are denied then what do the French so with them?

To apply here you have to be here. They made an exception for Ukraine.

The French should deport those denied, they have to apply first though I suppose.

That’s why the illegally crossing the channel slogan is just bluster. There are no legal routes to enter the UK to apply for asylum.

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[Googlebot]

Wish that were true, cant find an NHS dentist anywhere. Its cost me over £1000 this last year for dental treatment. .

We have the same issue locally, it’s dreadful. I got chucked off mine as I didn’t go for 2 years during Covid when they told me not to go.

Luckily found another NHS one.

Thank my lucky stars it’s only teeth and glasses you have to pay for.

 

[nicholsong]

To apply here you have to be here. They made an exception for Ukraine.

The French should deport those denied, they have to apply first though I suppose.

That’s why the illegally crossing the channel slogan is just bluster. There are no legal routes to enter the UK to apply for asylum.

The French would have the same problem with those who have destroyed their papers and lie about where they come from - to where do the authorities deport them?

 

[Googlebot]

The French would have the same problem with those who have destroyed their papers and lie about where they come from - to where do the authorities deport them?

That’s a very, very small number I would suspect. Much easier to claim asylum if you are obviously coming from a country that would require it and have papers to prove it.

Chancers are everywhere, nothing will stop that. I don’t think the constant wedge politics being pushed to demonise those desperate for help achieves anything except stir up hatred.

Again, if we had a system that we processed applications in France, it wouldn’t be an issue regardless as it wouldn’t be our problem.

You are right though, where do they go if they are stateless?

 

[gus-lopez]

That's strange. There were all told to report to Gatwick Airport at 9.30 am last Sunday.

You joke but that is exactly what they used to do.Tell them to appear at X time at Croydon for removal.

But the migrants don't seem to want to remain in and work in France.

Because they cannot work illegally & the french ensure that very few are able to do so by dobbing them in or anyone using them

If asylum seekers in France are denied then what do the French so with them?

As above & why they have to leave France as no way of earning anything

to where do the authorities deport them?

as above they don't .They just 'turn a blind eye' to beach leavers

 

[SpeedyDux]

Where in the Human Rights Act does it say asylum shopping is a breach of it? I wasn’t aware of that?

A straw man question. Not what I said.

The Dublin Regulation and Eurodac system had a stated purpose to deter asylum shopping. The EU member States actively punish those who are asylum shopping by using that system to return them to the initial "safe" or EU country. You might disagree with that stated purpose.

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[SpeedyDux]

If asylum seekers in France are denied then what do the French so with them?

Not a lot, as it turns out. The rate of repatriations for the denied ones, and foreign criminals, under the Obligation de Quitter le Territoir Francais (OQTFs) is as bad or maybe worse than the comparable UK numbers. They overstay and disappear off the radar until they are unlucky to get arrested for some entirely different crime. Or, they try to cross the Channel.

 

[Molly A]

What facility

The permission to open an office in Northern France where people can make their claims for entry into tbe UK without having to make the dangerous journey in dinghies across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, which at the moment is their only option.

 

[Googlebot]

A straw man question. Not what I said.

The Dublin Regulation and Eurodac system had a stated purpose to deter asylum shopping. The EU member States actively punish those who are asylum shopping by using that system to return them to the initial "safe" or EU country. You might disagree with that stated purpose.

Well, can’t say much about the Dublin regulation can we? Probably the root cause of the explosion of asylum seekers crossing the channel post B word.

I don’t disagree with the stated purpose either, once people are safe, they are safe.

My point is the current Government want to have their cake and eat it, meanwhile people die in the Channel and they use language like invasion and chuck money away on schemes like Rwanda to detract from the fact they created this whole mess in the first place.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Well, can’t say much about the Dublin regulation can we? Probably the root cause of the explosion of asylum seekers crossing the channel post B word.

I don’t disagree with the stated purpose either, once people are safe, they are safe.

My point is the current Government want to have their cake and eat it, meanwhile people die in the Channel and they use language like invasion and chuck money away on schemes like Rwanda to detract from the fact they created this whole mess in the first place.

I agree with most of that. The main problem with the Dublin Regulation (in practice) was that the UK received more migrants expelled by the EU members than the UK sent to other EU countries. A negative benefit. You can google the actual numbers if you like. It was good in theory only as far as the UK is concerned, so we are probably better off out of it.

The other gaping loophole (mentioned earlier this morning on GB News) is the effect of the open border between Eire and NI. Thousands of migrants who have reached the Republic can cross that open border into the Six Counties unchallenged, with or without identity papers or passports, and thereby enter the UK. From Belfast, effectively they can travel anywhere they like into the rest of GB. That's a consequence of the NI Protocol that Boris signed us up to, out of fear that the Good Friday Agreement might fall over if there was a hard border between the UK and EU.

The only solution to that one is political reunification of Ireland, and also ending the Common Travel Area between the UK and Republic of Ireland.

 

[oilrag]

Back to the thread topic !

Who on here has actually encountered a problem with stowaways at Ouistreham (Caen) ?

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