Battery conundrum

Both really. Default and happy (mainly because it's all black magic to me)
That's fine if its the Lithium preset profile - if it's the out of the box factory one, it may be set to 14.4v abs 13.8fl with adaptive absorption and 1amp tail.

Think I would check the settings including "Expert Mode" - I'm sure someone will help with the correct settings as per Fogstars recommendations.

If you can, post up screen shots of the battery settings, with expert mode turned on. IE press the cog symbol select battery and Expert Mode.
 
That's fine if its the Lithium preset profile - if it's the out of the box factory one, it may be set to 14.4v abs 13.8fl with adaptive absorption and 1amp tail.

Think I would check the settings including "Expert Mode" - I'm sure someone will help with the correct settings as per Fogstars recommendations.

If you can, post up screen shots of the battery settings, with expert mode turned on. IE press the cog symbol select battery and Expert Mode.
Will do.
Currently (sic) up at London waiting to see my neurosurgeon for first time since op.
And wanting to get back to see my first decent yield
 
Hope your appointment brought the news you want.

Do you have an idea what the draw is on your system? solar may not replace it this time of year
 
For my Fogstars I have the Victron Solar set to,
Absorption 14.25v
Float 13.5v

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Hope your appointment brought the news you want.

Do you have an idea what the draw is on your system? solar may not replace it this time of year
I was discharged, which in itself is pretty miraculous. 9 months ago I had emergency open back surgery due to cauda equina with not a great outlook. But back to full duties without body armour on 12 hour shifts and walking 12 to 14 miles a day. I am under their care for life because of the CE but it is for me to contact them when/if it returns. I just have adjustments and adapting to the injury.

Suspect the alarm and tracker stuff is the drain. Nothing else is on.

I got 28 amps today and have just stuck it on 240 so will be full in about 3 hours.
 
Do I just enable the expert mode, and adjust the figures ?
And Lenny HB s figures ?
Remembering I know nothing but float would be lower than what I have atm
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Hi Suavecurve, so glad your (far more important) health news was good! My settings page looks like this, other will have slightly different settings:
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For my Fogstars I have the Victron Solar set to,
Absorption 14.25v
Float 13.5v
Out of interest Lenny can I ask why you have set absorption at 14.25v as opposed to Fogstar's recommended 14.2v for Victron kit ?
 
I ve set them as per @lennyhb

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Lenny HB
Do you have equalisation settings as above, I was advised to disable?
@headlight see posts 29 & 30
 
Lenny HB
Do you have equalisation settings as above, I was advised to disable?
@headlight see posts 29 & 30
Yes I would disable Auto Equalisation and disable Equalisation voltage . If using Lithium I would use fixed Absorption (mine are set to 45mins if I remember). I have disabled Tail current, just because it can confuse the thing if you are moving or there are clouds etc, not sure but I think it works better on a fixed location. I have a lower Re-Bulk setting as well.
 
Lenny HB
Do you have equalisation settings as above, I was advised to disable?
@headlight see posts 29 & 30
Fogstar on their website specifically state for Victron kit to set at 14.2v and 13.5v.
Also I rang them and they confirmed 14.2v and 13.5v for Victron kit and 14.4v and 13.6v for non Victron kit.
They said it was because of the way the Victron charging algorithm works.
I am using 14.2v and 13.5v and haven't had any problems.
With those settings my BMS sets to 100% SOC.
 
Do I just enable the expert mode, and adjust the figures ?
And @Lenny HB s figures ?
Remembering I know nothing but float would be lower than what I have atm
Yes enable expert mode. The battery won't charge with 13.5v or lower as you don't need a float with Lithium.

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Out of interest Lenny can I ask why you have set absorption at 14.25v as opposed to Fogstar's recommended 14.2v for Victron kit ?
Fogstar now recommend 14.3v, I used 14.25 as someone on hear mention it worked when they found after 6 months their batteries weren't quite getting a full charge (I thought it was you).
I wanted to keep it as low as practical.
Do you have equalisation settings as above, I was advised to disable?
@headlight see posts 29 & 30
I've disabled Equiisation.
 
Yes enable expert mode. The battery won't charge with 13.5v or lower as you don't need a float with Lithium.

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Fogstar now recommend 14.3v, I used 14.25 as someone on hear mention it worked when they found after 6 months their batteries weren't quite getting a full charge (I thought it was you).
I wanted to keep it as low as practical.

I've disabled Equiisation.
I think it was me but I only did it for a couple of weeks.
I changed it back to 14.2v to re-check and they charged to 100% fine and have done ever since.
I note from my Victron app history that although I have the voltage set at 14.2v my battery is actually being charged to IIRC 14.35v by the Victron MPPT.
My SOC re-sets to 100% and fully charged my cells are within 0.001v of each other.
I wonder why Fogstar now recommend 14.3v rather than their previous 14.2v recommendation.

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I think it was me but I only did it for a couple of weeks.
I changed it back to 14.2v to re-check and they charged to 100% fine and have done ever since.
I note from my Victron app history that although I have the voltage set at 14.2v my battery is actually being charged to 14.35v by the Victron MPPT.
My SOC re-sets to 100% and fully charged my cells are within 0.001v of each other.
A few months ago Fogstar changed their recommendation to 14.3v with Victron chargers.
My has been fine at 14.25 although we have not been up at 100% very often.
 
A few months ago Fogstar changed their recommendation to 14.3v with Victron chargers.
My has been fine at 14.25 although we have not been up at 100% very often.
Unless I get any problems I'll leave my settings as they are.
It's working fine and other than the few weeks when it only charged to 98% (obviously not actually a problem) I've had no problems.
It's been a game changer for us going from 2 x 110AH lead acids and a 300 watt inverter to a 230AH LifePo4 and 2,000 watt inverter lol.
 
I think it was me but I only did it for a couple of weeks.
I changed it back to 14.2v to re-check and they charged to 100% fine and have done ever since.
I note from my Victron app history that although I have the voltage set at 14.2v my battery is actually being charged to IIRC 14.35v by the Victron MPPT.
My SOC re-sets to 100% and fully charged my cells are within 0.001v of each other.
I wonder why Fogstar now recommend 14.3v rather than their previous 14.2v recommendation.
I wonder if it is something to do with voltage drop compensation, and where the voltage is measured, ie at the solar controller output terminal, or at the battery terminal via a shunt. or from the battery BMS's, I guess they have to recommend settings that will keep most eventualities covered including things like different chargers and makes of chargers working on a single/parralleled battery at the same time, vs ones that share the same voltage data and are all controlled by the Cerbo and synchronised for example.

Mine aren't Fogstar, but I was told the BMS starts it's cell balancing at 14.2v, so I set the chargers to 14.25, and then they have time to balance during absorption. During the summer they hit float most days.

Like Lenny HB I prefer to use a low-ish setting.
 
I keep sulking wishing I'd fitted 2 x 300ah instead of 2 x 230ah.😭
Yes I keep telling myself that anymore would be overkill, but I could get a couple of 460's in there, unfortunately the existing ones seem very reliable.....

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It depends if the BMS decides the battery is flat it will shut the battery down.

Any comments RogerIvy
I see since you posted this many people have commented and I think the question has probably been answered countless times 🙂

My take is that the BMS didn’t count the long term slow (less than 0.7A draw) and the battery ran itself down. As you said a shunt would help. And also to charge it up once a week using EHU at this time of the year. Just been in Scotland for a week and solar was worse than dismal. I have 645w and was consistently getting 9w in that soupy stuff.
 
Mine just set to lithium profile but I do have a mix of fogstar and ks
 
Mine aren't Fogstar, but I was told the BMS starts it's cell balancing at 14.2v, so I set the chargers to 14.25, and then they have time to balance during absorption.
I understand that on the jbd bms you can turn off the “balance while charging “ toggle switch. If this is done then it will balance when not charging .
 
I understand that on the jbd bms you can turn off the “balance while charging “ toggle switch. If this is done then it will balance when not charging .
Mine are as the factory set them, and sealed - They are non bluetooth types so are as they are! (Probably for the best, or I would fiddle!).
If I had a valid (Wife proof) excuse to change then I would go into it a bit more to catch up with the latest "tech", but really I just want them to be black boxes that work reliably with the charging system I have.

So next time I would get something that talked to my Victron kit (tried last time but couldn't get anything quickly other than expensive Victron jobbies). There's more choice now on compatible batteries like Fogstar Drift Pro.
 
Maybe worth noting that Fogstar talked me through changing the default victron lithium absorption voltages on mains and solar chargers from 14.2V to 14.3V because my battery bms was not resetting to 100% soc. It worked straight away.
But, why? 99% is fully charged anyways. A bms that can't detect small flow of current is useless at estimating SOC. Fooling it with a higher voltage is moot. Solution, add a device ( shunt) that can do the job, and let the bms only for cell balancing and safety cut off.
 
Got mine set to 14.25v, that bit over 14.2 does the trick.
Lenny think of it, those bms es are designed with cost in mind; they do well on current's at 0.2C and above. Why trust a bms to tell you a SOC cycles if it can't keep track of the amps properly. Current flow measurement is crucial for soc and cycles. Take that info with a very large pinch of salt.
 
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But, why? 99% is fully charged anyways. A bms that can't detect small flow of current is useless at estimating SOC. Fooling it with a higher voltage is moot. Solution, add a device ( shunt) that can do the job, and let the bms only for cell balancing and safety cut off.
🤫Hi Raul
You are the expert and I'm sure a shunt is the best technical solution. For me, I feel I can manage fine without one by fully charging at the start of a holiday ( as most people will do anyway) so that the bms starts at 100%. While on holiday (2 weeks max in my circumstances 😒) the small errors on the bms will not affect me. In my 5.4m van cabling and location would be a PITA for me to do, and I don't want to pay anyone else to do it.
 
🤫Hi Raul
You are the expert and I'm sure a shunt is the best technical solution. For me, I feel I can manage fine without one by fully charging at the start of a holiday ( as most people will do anyway) so that the bms starts at 100%. While on holiday (2 weeks max in my circumstances 😒) the small errors on the bms will not affect me. In my 5.4m van cabling and location would be a PITA for me to do, and I don't want to pay anyone else to do it.
It's the easiest of things to fit, you can buy pre made cable on line and if you buy from off grid you get a discount

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