Autogas pumps dissappearing ?

[MR. FUSION]

And how are we going to charge these E vehicles? Should think a quarter of motorists can not park within two or three hundred yards of their houses,,some not even on the same street.plus we don't have enough power stations to generate the leccy required..Another point,where is the Government going to recover the revinue they will loose with the decline of petrol and diesel vehicles,,ie fuel and road tax.BUSBY.

Exactly why the SNP have introduced the no pavement parking law......its going to be mayhem

 

[Theonlysue]

Why not fill up en route? There's usually lpg available on the main A roads and motorways.

 

[The Dotties]

I think HGVs often use LPG for onboard services, so supplies may remain at motorway services for a while longer.

I think you will find HGVs use diesel for everything. Obviously the engine, cab heating, and in the case of refrigerated trailers they are also diesel powered by a separate underslung tank.

 

[jockaneezer]

The main Calor depot here has just taken out their bulk tank, it's bottles only now. Flogas have a bulk tank at their depot and although I get my workshop bottles from them, I've never asked about filling my Gaslows up yet. It's easier filling at Crosby Moor garage up the road or Procter's Welding Supplies in town.

Of all the refillable suppliers/fitters selling us these bottles and saying how good they are,how many have installed filling facilities at their premises?

I'm pretty sure Autogas 2000 at Thirsk have a bulk tank and hard standing if you want to stay over while they fit it.

 

[jongood]

I think HGVs often use LPG for onboard services, so supplies may remain at motorway services for a while longer.

I don't think you re right here, I'm not saying they dont exist but not aware of any round here.

Some of the Own account people use CNG most notably Waitrose, sainsbury's TK Maxx

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[jongood]

I find this place very convenient and cheap

 

[chaser]

Chris51
Where did you go that had the pump removed ?
I used to use Capital by Bet 365 but their pump has gone now.
Shell garage by Festival Park still sell it but I find the access to the pump quite tight, you may be ok in a PVC

This bloke will have some, as it's a caravan storage as well, can't be far for you.
We use him from down here as he also does welding gas and coal and usually do a bulk run.

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[Badknee]

So, if you were just starting a conversion what is the best way forward? I was planning on fitting an underslung refillable tank but after reading this thread I am wondering if I should consider sticking with bottled.
Initially the van will be used mainly in the UK but I would like to take it abroad at some point and was worried about availability of compatible bottles abroad hence the underslung LPG

I use a local bottled gas company, only a couple of miles away luckily. Might be an idea to look for one local to you, flogas etc.

 

[Jonno1103]

Pembrokeshire, the gas capitol of the UK doesn't have a single one, you have to travel to Carmarthen which was fine when we lived there as we passed the only TWO on the way to the M4 but I don't know what visiting holidaymakers do.

We're happy to be back to bottles as around Harrogate they're everywhere. Morrisons in Boroughbridge has an LPG pump and is very easy for A1M travellers but if you fancy a brew while your there the carpark has a quite a low barrier, the Mozzies in Harrogate doesn't have either LPG or barrier but we tend to see a few vans in there.

Wetherby services (BP) has LPG .

 

[Manic]

If the pumps do start to be found hard to find, what would the owners of newish Autosleepers do as they only fit tanks, so no option of switch back to ripoff calor.

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[Rob Hammond]

Makes sense that refilling Motorhome isn’t sufficient to keep garages interested - maybe it will be a slower decline on the continent, but as the electrical/hybrid bandwagon gathers pace, I assume it will go the
same way eventually.
We‘re a few years off having to worry too much but I guess diesel heaters are likely to become more popular as a result..?

Are we led to believe diesel is the devil in disguise

 

[Youlostoo]

I went to Flogas ex Countrywide depot at Defford yesterday, tank removed. Spoke to engineer on site who said they are removing tanks as they become faulty, as it's not cost effective to repair because they just aren't used enough. He advised me to use Autogas. Apparently, there are lots of sites nationwide, and particularly in the Birmingham area as most Taxi's are converted to gas.

 

[Soozywoozy]

No shortage mainland europe or around our area. We just top up when we see one when refuelling and never wait until empty - the beauty of refilliable

 

[Burgo]

the ridiculous thing about electric vehicles is that they are still not reaching tip over numbers that would see charging infrastructure to be rolled out nationally in high numbers. with changing standards and competing technology we need to see it mature first. round here there were more electric vehicles when we were kids than right now. every village had an electric milk float with large fleets in towns. they could only charge them overnight, as otherwise it would overload the national grid
In its current form, i doubt electric cars and especially commercial vehicles being the norm is still many years away

lpg diesel and petrol will still be available for the next generation

Didnt Honda just announce today that they would cease selling pure petrol & diesel vehicles in Europe from 2022?

 

[tonyidle]

And how are we going to charge these E vehicles? Should think a quarter of motorists can not park within two or three hundred yards of their houses,,some not even on the same street.plus we don't have enough power stations to generate the leccy required..Another point,where is the Government going to recover the revinue they will loose with the decline of petrol and diesel vehicles,,ie fuel and road tax.BUSBY.

I'm sure the same points were made about petrol stations when horses disappeared (it took 12 months from start to finish in London). Never underestimate the drive to make a quick buck - when no ICE cars are being made the rush to install extortionately expensive charging points will result in plenty of choice. And a new road usage tax will follow quickly or be combined with the cost of power. There are many technological solutions being developed to ease the battery charging hit - one such example is smart chargers that communicate with each other and the cars plugged into them to determine when charging will occur. There are many ways to overcome charging point access including under-road no-plug charging. It has taken roughly 100 years from the first practical ICE cars hitting the roads to where we are now. And for the first 70+ years of that there was no computing power or communications technology to help.

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[Chris51]

Chris51
Where did you go that had the pump removed ?
I used to use Capital by Bet 365 but their pump has gone now.
Shell garage by Festival Park still sell it but I find the access to the pump quite tight, you may be ok in a PVC

The Shell one at Uttoxeter .

 

[Peatmoor]

the ridiculous thing about electric vehicles is that they are still not reaching tip over numbers that would see charging infrastructure to be rolled out nationally in high numbers. with changing standards and competing technology we need to see it mature first. round here there were more electric vehicles when we were kids than right now. every village had an electric milk float with large fleets in towns. they could only charge them overnight, as otherwise it would overload the national grid
In its current form, i doubt electric cars and especially commercial vehicles being the norm is still many years away

lpg diesel and petrol will still be available for the next generation

I have a Tesla S P100D with a range of 290 miles per charge. I have no problems with charging it. Tesla sold and delivered 6000 model 3 cars in the first month when it launched in the UK earlier this year. My local Tesla showroom has recently sold 60 model 3 cars in one week. Tesla are continually building charging stations. BP are installing EV chargers to all of their suitable service stations. From my observations, (see ZAP MAP app), I've counted approximately 40 new charging stations coming on stream every month. There is no doubting EV's are now coming fast, as are the charging stations.

 

[robert groves]

same sort of story happened in the early 80,s .
was several around here but they almost disapeared.
i still have kit i took off one of the lpg cars i had back then.
never mind might come back again in a few years .

I had LPG conversion to my Mini-cab in the early 70's, very cheap as there was no Fuel tax on it....fine until the female MP for westminster made it her life's ambition to put fuel tax on it...Killed it overnight,..all of us mini-cab and Black cab owners pulled out the system's

 

[vwalan]

I had LPG conversion to my Mini-cab in the early 70's, very cheap as there was no Fuel tax on it....fine until the female MP for westminster made it her life's ambition to put fuel tax on it...Killed it overnight,..all of us mini-cab and Black cab owners pulled out the system's

lots of vw campers were imported from holland and germany with lpg.
i was lucky a friend worked at a local garage that specialized in lpg . if i had any problems he was a great help. even though we were opposition garage .
the aircooled engines were a bit different to water cooled so he always said he learnt more as well.

 

[Ernesto]

I have a Tesla S P100D with a range of 290 miles per charge. I have no problems with charging it. Tesla sold and delivered 6000 model 3 cars in the first month when it launched in the UK earlier this year. My local Tesla showroom has recently sold 60 model 3 cars in one week. Tesla are continually building charging stations. BP are installing EV chargers to all of their suitable service stations. From my observations, (see ZAP MAP app), I've counted approximately 40 new charging stations coming on stream every month. There is no doubting EV's are now coming fast, as are the charging stations.

I think Tesla's are great ...the trouble when I looked at one around a year ago, it wasn't the charging (although 2 or 3 times a year, on very long journeys it would need extra planning). The 2 things that turned me off them was the horrendous new price, and the absolutely catastrophic depreciation ....
Depreciation is the only important cost with cars - and its why every Tesla salesman's second question is "do you have your own business?" because they know thats the only way around it - set it against tax

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[LesW]

the horrendous new price.

This is the real issue, my wife would love an electric car, the Renault Zoe looks good, but well over £20,000 is beyond our finances without lots of borrowing.

 

[nicholsong]

Just did a w/e from S. Poland down to Slowakia(100km) and nearly all the filling stations in Poland had LPG available.

Just wonder what the difference is if UK are demobilising the pumps?

Geoff

 

[TheBig1]

Just did a w/e from S. Poland down to Slowakia(100km) and nearly all the filling stations in Poland had LPG available.

Just wonder what the difference is if UK are demobilising the pumps?

Geoff

in general, they are not demobilising pumps. Just shell garages and a few random places losing pumps. there are still plenty about

 

[Basildog]

in general, they are not demobilising pumps. Just shell garages and a few random places losing pumps. there are still plenty about

BP announced a long time ago that they were dropping lpg from their owned sites , it’s up to the franchise owners if they keep it at other BP sites but it’s already gone from most BP motorway services .
BP and Shell have bought up the main electric charging companies already

 

[WillH]

We have two within 50 miles, there did used to be more 30 years ago. Nearest motorway services must be over 100 miles away.

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