Attaching Fiat alloy to spare wheel carrier?

[andyelbac]

I've just bitten the bullet and installed the underchassis spare wheel carrier to our Ducato based Burstner Lyseo TD680G. I've gone for a spare steel wheel as it is slightly lighter but also significantly cheaper than a spare Fiat 16" alloy. The fitting process was reasonably straightforward with the holes already in the chassis exactly where they were meant to be. I did need to open up the holes in the winch assy element as they didn't quite line up with the holes in the chassis but all in all, without the additional work, it would have taken 15 mins tops to fit the carrier (8 bolts). I also found that the process of attaching the spare steel was relatively easy and quick (I know,I won't be saying that when trying to remove it in the dark and wet with a flat tyre on the rear) but I was pleasantly surprised how much room there was under the rear of the van (the waste tank being forward of the rear axle). Now to my question; In the event of a flat I will be looking to attach the removed Fiat alloy to the carrier until I can get to a tyre centre.
The Fiat handbook says to attach the winch to the alloy adaptor plate first and then attach the adaptor plate to the top of the inside of the alloy by screwing three nuts (they come with the adaptor plate) through the front of the alloy into the adaptor plate sitting on top of the inner hub (with me so far?). So unlike the steel spare the winch is not fitted through the central hub on the alloy but sits on top of it. I'm trying to imagine attempting to screw three studs through the front of the alloy into the adaptor plate on the other side of a 30kg tire when the most you could probably angle the wheel at is 45 deg (if you're lucky). Has anyone ever done this and was it easier than it sounds?

 

[tribalbrit]

my fiat weinsberg 3500kg was supplied with alloys and a spare steel wheel, underslung like i think you are fitting, this is from new 2021.am now looking for information about these ( different) wheel bolts without any success yet for when i get a puncture

The bolts for steel wheels maybe shorter than those for alloys. At least they were on my VW.

 

[treblid]

The bolts for steel wheels maybe shorter than those for alloys. At least they were on my VW.

I researched this for our 2022 built Fiat Ducato and the bolts are the same length for alloy and steel rims. We have 16" wheels and heavy duty brakes.

 

[treblid]

More info here. Check your wheel bolt diameter.

M16 bolts: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/cat...el-bolts-m16x1-5-06-on-1351203080/category/2/

M14 bolts: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/cat...y-wheel-bolts-15-06-on-1363349080/category/2/

 

[andyelbac]

Im expecting to pick uo the Fiat steel wheel studs tomorrow. I will remove one of the alloy and photograph it next to the steel stud. I will also quote the Fiat part no. If I can remember, I will ask the service centre what the part no. is for the alloy studs. I fully expect to find both are exactly the same and shall forthwith change my Funster name to Studmug!

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[AndyLaika]

Im expecting to pick uo the Fiat steel wheel studs tomorrow. I will remove one of the alloy and photograph it next to the steel stud. I will also quote the Fiat part no. If I can remember, I will ask the service centre what the part no. is for the alloy studs. I fully expect to find both are exactly the same and shall forthwith change my Funster name to Studmug!

Hi Andy, were the steel studs the same length as the alloy ones?

 

[DT]

Carrier an easy fix to the chassis. Steel wheel and tyre a bit of a struggle to get the cable end bracket in place but after that easy and rock solid when wound up. I then attached a bike lock cable and padlock to help deter scallys.

 

[andyelbac]

Hi Andy, were the steel studs the same length as the alloy ones?

Hi! Well they looked the same to me initially but on closer inspection the steel studs appeared to be 1-2mm shorter. I'm guessing you could take off a wheel, attach the steel spare and spin it, see if there is any issue? I'm risk averse so bought the Fiat studs for steel wheel anyway.

Hi Andy, were the steel studs the same length as the alloy ones?

 

[Almost Retired]

Reviving this thread rather than starting a new one! I’m currently looking to fit the spare wheel carrier under my Ducato based Carado V 132. It’s new but the chassis would appear to have left the Fiat factory in 2022.
There are several types of carrier listed by various sellers. One says it’s for 2002- now. One says up to 2014 and one says 2014-now.
Does anyone know the differences between the various carriers and what if any interchangeability there is. eg the YouTube video by the New Zealand chap seems to use the older version of the carrier on a new van and just not use one piece!

I have also ended up with a 16 Fiat alloy as my spare. Would have been happy with steel but this was a “good deal” As a result I need the alloy wheel carrier and bolts. Lots of places have the 5x 118 pcd version in stock at a reasonable price but I’m struggling to find a 5 x 130 pcd at all, never mind a sensible price. Anyone able to point me at one or have one for sale?

 

[treblid]

This is where I got the whole wheel carrier kit for Ducato. Here is the alloy wheel bracket: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fit...en-relay-wheel-mount-bracket-15-16-06-on.html

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[pat100]

This might be of help to some folk reading this discussion. Note that it is incorrect for my Peugeot Boxer as, for the steel wheel, my wheel needs to be fitted shiny side down. The tyre fitter and I were baffled, at first, as to why the cable was too long! I just threw the flat alloy ( leaking repair plug) inside the van and walked over it!

 

[Almost Retired]

Treblid, thanks for the link. Sadly out of stock there, but it HAS got me a part number.

 

[treblid]

Treblid, thanks for the link. Sadly out of stock there, but it HAS got me a part number.

Don't forget you will also need the 3 special bolts: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fia...-wheel-bolt-for-spare-wheel-holder-06-on.html

And the spare wheel knob: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fia...n-relay-spare-wheel-knob-2006-onwards-oe.html

 

[10tenmen]

Reviving this thread rather than starting a new one! I’m currently looking to fit the spare wheel carrier under my Ducato based Carado V 132. It’s new but the chassis would appear to have left the Fiat factory in 2022.
There are several types of carrier listed by various sellers. One says it’s for 2002- now. One says up to 2014 and one says 2014-now.
Does anyone know the differences between the various carriers and what if any interchangeability there is. eg the YouTube video by the New Zealand chap seems to use the older version of the carrier on a new van and just not use one piece!

I have also ended up with a 16 Fiat alloy as my spare. Would have been happy with steel but this was a “good deal” As a result I need the alloy wheel carrier and bolts. Lots of places have the 5x 118 pcd version in stock at a reasonable price but I’m struggling to find a 5 x 130 pcd at all, never mind a sensible price. Anyone able to point me at one or have one for sale?

I moved my spare wheel carrier from my 2020 Ducato ccs chassis to my new 2023 heavy chassis and it fitted perfectly needed some riv nuts for the winder.
Photo 1 is 2023 photo 2 is 2020.

 

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I moved my spare wheel carrier from my 2020 Ducato ccs chassis to my new 2023 heavy chassis and it fitted perfectly needed some riv nuts for the winder.
Photo 1 is 2023 photo 2 is 2020.



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That's Bloody clean underneath

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[Almost Retired]

Don't forget you will also need the 3 special bolts: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fia...-wheel-bolt-for-spare-wheel-holder-06-on.html

And the spare wheel knob: https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fia...n-relay-spare-wheel-knob-2006-onwards-oe.html

Are the three special bolts the same three bolts on the 5 x 118 plate as they are on the 5 x130 plate. I ask because of course the normal wheel bolts are different!

 

[Almost Retired]

Are the three special bolts the same three bolts on the 5 x 118 plate as they are on the 5 x130 plate. I ask because of course the normal wheel bolts are different!

Oh, and are they actually just the same size as the wheel bolts as I already have spares of those!

 

[treblid]

Are the three special bolts the same three bolts on the 5 x 118 plate as they are on the 5 x130 plate. I ask because of course the normal wheel bolts are different!

I don't know but guess they maybe.

 

[treblid]

Oh, and are they actually just the same size as the wheel bolts as I already have spares of those!

They are a smaller diameter thread to the wheel bolts. Hence the plastic collar.

 

[Almost Retired]

Thanks for the advice. I think I may have the correct parts inbound and will report results.