Anyone ripped out the bathroom and replaced it - Eldiss Accordo 120

[Kazauhart]

I have a small 2 berth, 6 metre Eldiss Accordo 120 and would like to take out the bathroom, change to a compost toilet, personilise the area, save a bit of space and make better use of the area. Do you think its possible? Has anyone done it before? Would it affect the selling price of the van?

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks, Karen

 

[Jon Stewart]

Why not just fit a SOG system instead of a composting toilet?

Not as trendy, I know.

I'd imagine that a composting toilet would definitely affect the resale price.

 

[AndyPK]

If not done properly, the selling price would be affected, imho….

 

[Kazauhart]

I have google SOG and it looks like it still uses chemicals. I was hoping to move away from chemical toilets and was thinking a compost toilet would be better in certain situations. I wondered if ripping out the toilet would affect the integrity of the waterproofing in the toilet cubicle when using the shower and wondered if its possible to replace the whole lot and persolise it at the same time.

 

[AndyPK]

How old is your 120…..?

It would affect any remaining warranty….

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[Jon Stewart]

I have google SOG and it looks like it still uses chemicals.

No chemicals required.

If you wish, you can add a tab of bio washing powder or liquid to speed up breakdown, but this is entirely optional.

Turns your cassette into a mini septic tank, and would work well for you as a single traveller, if I remember correctly you mentioning that in another post.

 

[Kazauhart]

If not done properly, the selling price would be affected, imho….

Yeah would have to make sure its 100% waterproofed

 

[Puddleduck]

I wouldn't buy a van with a composting toilet.

That might just be me of course.

 

[Kazauhart]

No chemicals required.

If you wish, you can add a tab of bio washing powder or liquid to speed up breakdown, but this is entirely optional.

Turns your cassette into a mini septic tank, and would work well for you as a single traveller, if I remember correctly you mentioning that in another post.

Thanks Jon, Iv never heard of SOG but will definitly look into it.

 

[pappajohn]

I have google SOG and it looks like it still uses chemicals.

SOG doesn't need chemicals.

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[Jon Stewart]

Thanks Jon, Iv never heard of SOG but will definitly look into it.

Yes, you should work out all the possibilities before doing anything.

It's basically a fan linked to a micro switch on the toilet slider, sucks air down the bowl and through the cassette, out a vent (with filter), either on the cassette compartment or mounted on the roof.

Allows permanent aeration of the cassette, and virtually zero smell when the toilet is open to the cassette.

This is likely to add value to your van.

 

[Jon Stewart]

I wouldn't buy a van with a composting toilet.

That might just be me of course.

No, it's not just you!

Horrible and impractical idea, especially as you get older.

 

[Just smiffy]

There is no such thing as a composting toilet, you would have to leave it in the toilet for months to compost…

It’s just a trendy way of saying that you’ll empty your waste probably in a bag and dump it in a bin… or on some land and if it’s been in a toilet for a week it’s still shite and not compost…

Sorry if this sounds harsh but that’s the facts….

Some people don’t use any chemicals at all in the cassette and dump in the usual way and some bag and bin there waste every time….

Depends on how old and what the bathroom is like at the moment but changing significantly will affect the value….

 

[Puddleduck]

There is no such thing as a composting toilet, you would have to leave it in the toilet for months to compost…

It’s just a trendy way of saying that you’ll empty your waste probably in a bag and dump it in a bin… or on some land and if it’s been in a toilet for a week it’s still shite and not compost…

Sorry if this sounds harsh but that’s the facts….

That's what I thought.

We used bio laundry stuff in our cassette and although it probably was more perfume than really breaking down much over a couple of days I thought it made the cassette contents easier for me to deal with - more liquid and broken down paper. I didn't mind doing the empty duty anyway.

 

[PaulW2]

There is no such thing as a composting toilet, you would have to leave it in the toilet for months to compost…

It’s just a trendy way of saying that you’ll empty your waste probably in a bag and dump it in a bin… or on some land and if it’s been in a toilet for a week it’s still shite and not compost…

Sorry if this sounds harsh but that’s the facts….

Some people don’t use any chemicals at all in the cassette and dump in the usual way and some bag and bin there waste every time….

Depends on how old and what the bathroom is like at the moment but changing significantly will affect the value….

Yes, I think the ratio of compost to waste means that you will need very much more compost than waste. And the time to decomposition will mean it has to stay and build up for a long time.

So one may need a Glastonbury-style sawdust long drop.

And then when you decide to empty it there won't be anywhere to put the resulting pile.

And it will stink to high heavens in the meantime. (Ever mucked out a stable? Multiply by 10 I would guess.)

SOG if you must as long as you don't blow your nano 'particles' in my face.

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[rambo]

i have chopped up a few vans interiors over the years for my self and mates .i think the trick is to make it look like its allways been like that so good sharp tools and plenty of planning . source the right fabrics laminates fixings ect before you start the job. the last autofail i had i stripped out the whole kitchen chopped it down shorter cut drawers ect .and when i got shot of it to a dealer(motorhome dealer not drug dealer) he did not evan notice. good luck

 

[AndyPK]

Or go to the Crossways C&MC site - they have long-drop dry composting toilets!

 

[rambo]

little money saving tip.when u r on site knock on some ones elses van and see if they will take a eartha kitt in there van

 

[Minxy]

Take note of what others and especially Just smiffy has said ... He is full of knows his sh*t!

 

[Minxy]

Seriously though, if you do change major stuff like the toilet etc you will definitely affect the future value negatively and also extensively reduce the number of potential buyers, I also suspect a dealer wouldn't touch it if you wanted to trade it in either.

A separating toilet which is what you are considering still needs to be emptied regularly and waste catered for so make sure you know exactly what you would need to do to, and that you would be able to find suitable places to dispose of the waste.

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[Hedgewitch]

And it will stink to high heavens in the meantime. (Ever mucked out a stable? Multiply by 10 I would guess.)

It will only stink if there is pee in with the poo. Or are you planning on buying one of the horrendously expensive toilets with a urine diverter?

"solid" waste should not be too smelly if dry and covered completely (anaerobic) however the quantity of wood shavings/sawdust you will need to do this properly will take a huge amount of room to store, probably negating all the extra room you hope to gain from changing the bathroom (and will migrate to every other part of the van . . . . had a compost loo in an outdoor building at a previous property so know this bit to be true!)

Then, as previously said by others, you will be dumping this waste somewhere it will never get a chance to compost fully (minimum 6 months depending on temperature ) unless you keep it all until you get home and have your own "Humanure" pile in the garden

What are you actually trying to achieve in respect of the toilet? Is it just no-chemical?

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Thanks Jon, Iv never heard of SOG but will definitly look into it.

We put a sog in our toilet system. It's basically a fan that draws air out from the cassette to atmosphere through a charcoal filter( optional). We have never used chemicals in our toilet just bio washing capsules. And we rarely use the flush just a hand pump sprayer that's like a jet wash but minimal water. Don't have any smells. Think the total cost was less than £10 diy. before you go to the expense of a compost toilet try a sog unit first.
Ps we have an eldiss 175 with end bathroom

 

[Shrimp]

SOG on the loo and Bio liquid in the loo and in colder weather you don’t even need the Bio.
Have not used chemicals in our cassette for years now!

 

[nicholsong]

Remember when thinking of altering MH furniture that, except for PVC, most MH furniture is installed before sidewalls and roof are put on, getting a seal to the walls may not be easy.

 

[Cheese Monster]

I have a small 2 berth, 6 metre Eldiss Accordo 120 and would like to take out the bathroom, change to a compost toilet, personilise the area, save a bit of space and make better use of the area. Do you think its possible? Has anyone done it before? Would it affect the selling price of the van?

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks, Karen

We have a different van but in the last year have removed the Thetford toilet to which I had already fitted a SOG kit. All this I replaced with a Trelino EVO-S. We would never entertain another cassette toilet, no smell, easy emptying and saves space.

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[AndyPK]

This one…?

Trelino® Evo S • Composting toilet

Small is smart! Trelino® Evo S is extremely light, can be stowed anywhere and offers a velvety-soft sanitary experience.

www.trelino.com

 

[Minxy]

We have a different van but in the last year have removed the Thetford toilet to which I had already fitted a SOG kit. All this I replaced with a Trelino EVO-S. We would never entertain another cassette toilet, no smell, easy emptying and saves space.

Just read up about it from the link Andy posted, I assume you have to empty the urine container quite often due to it's small size.

 

[Cheese Monster]

Just read up about it from the link Andy posted, I assume you have to empty the urine container quite often due to it's small size.

We usually empty it morning and evening out of habit, but it is so easy to do. We chose the S, I built a plinth beneath it to store toilet rolls and there is a heater pipe too. It is still a lot lower than the Thetford which makes a better (lower) height for sitting on.

 

[Minxy]

We usually empty it morning and evening out of habit, but it is so easy to do. We chose the S, I built a plinth beneath it to store toilet rolls and there is a heater pipe too. It is still a lot lower than the Thetford which makes a better (lower) height for sitting on.

I forgot to ask, do you use sites? If not then where do you empty it twice daily and what about the solids?

 

[Cheese Monster]

I forgot to ask, do you use sites? If not then where do you empty it twice daily and what about the solids?

Sites, Aires and wild. Urine is easy, Elsan, toilet, hedge. Solids, tie the bag up and pop it in a dog bin, in the wild you could bury it (not the bag), never had a problem yet.