Antidisestablishmentairianism

[chrisgreen]

if it aint genny's people moan about its noisy kids,dogs, smokers, drunk funsters,loud music,or people just having fun,something always seem to upset someone:Sad:
i stopped taking my dogs to fun meets because they might upset someone,i stopped smoking in public because it might upset someone,i stopped useing my best battery charger at meets because it might upset someone,i stopped bringing my grandkids because they might upset someone,and now i have stopped going to fun meets as i might upset someone,even though i live and let live,but there is always one that will find something to moan about:Sad:

 

[ShiftZZ]

Actually at least 3 people including myself have spoken to them..
We have moved, as have all the vans around them.

So if any of you live and let live, genny loveing funsters want to come to Chester there is plenty of space available.

Considering that at least 3 requests were made, what did the owner of the RV say?

If he/she ignored the requests then that's simply not on, I don't like genny's, if I have made the effort to have solar, LED and extra batteries installed, I did that for a reason, I wanted to have peace and quiet and not sit on a field with noisy genny's.

Did you take the issue up- with Jim?

I accept that some individuals require extra electricity, but, as always its a minority of individuals who spoil it for everyone as their needs are greater than the majority.

Now, where are those rubber gloves and bolt cutters, ready for UKBILL and his puffing billy...

Does anyone thinks its right to name and shame? 3 Complaints never sorted it out..

 

[chrisgreen]

Considering that at least 3 requests were made, what did the owner of the RV say?

If he/she ignored the requests then that's simply not on, I don't like genny's, if I have made the effort to have solar, LED and extra batteries installed, I did that for a reason, I wanted to have peace and quiet and not sit on a field with noisy genny's.

Did you take the issue up- with Jim?

I accept that some individuals require extra electricity, but, as always its a minority of individuals who spoil it for everyone as their needs are greater than the majority.

Now, where are those rubber gloves and bolt cutters, ready for UKBILL and his puffing billy...

Does anyone thinks its right to name and shame? 3 Complaints never sorted it out..

problem is with solar is that its not 100% reliable,i have been on many meets were people have large solar arrays on there vans,but have needed to run gennys because the sun did not shine,even asking to borrow mine for a few hours
and some only have electric heating,that needs a lot of power to run

 

[ShiftZZ]

problem is with solar is that its not 100% reliable,i have been on many meets were people have large solar arrays on there vans,but have needed to run gennys because the sun did not shine,even asking to borrow mine for a few hours
and some only have electric heating,that needs a lot of power to run

You are right, but, having solar on this van for over three years never had a problem, you have to admit there are some who turn up at a meet, and sit on their van all day with the genny running. I have also been where they have been running them late into the night, I am partially deaf and even I could hear it..

If there had been at least three people ask the owner to do something and he/she ignored then there is a problem.

Could it be as has been suggested some guidelines as to their usage? Hours when they can be used, an option to lump genny users together to sort of 'keep the peace'.

I know if I was affected I would ask the person to be a bit more considerate, if that failed, have a chat with Jim, if that failed, i would move.

Some have advocated "live and let live" well that's fine, but there are limits to that also..

 

[jonandshell]

Have I just stumbled on the Caravan Club forum by accident?

Parking in a field close to lots of other vans isn't the best start if it is peace and quiet you seek!

Can I suggest wild camping in the Highlands?

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[jonandshell]

On the subject of noisy generators, we revell in the self satisfaction and knowledge that we have seen the light and will never need a Genny. We have sufficient 240v to dry hair and boil kettles for a weekend without resorting to upsetting neighbours! :thumb:

We deal with noisy gennies by turning up the TV or inviting some fellow funsters round.

Rowdy drinking into the early hours is the sweetest revenge on noisy neighbours!

 

[Oscarbobs]

I think rallies should be left with very few rules and regulations, we get enough of that at caravan sites in fact we get enough of that every where. Leave people be and if its not for you park up next to the little white peg at the CC and enjoy the peace and quiet.

Dave

 

[old-mo]

"Segregation" of Gennie users....

Might work, if the field is big enough....

But there again Segregation of all the "Noisy" get together`s might be a way forward as well.

Let`s go one further and say........ joking, laughing, talking, music, singing, dancing, farting and *iss taking must only be carried out between the hours of Midday and 2pm...

That might upset a few who like there afternoon nap,,,,, but cant please all the people..

Any "SEGREGATION"................... is a sure fire way of splitting up a superb fun loving group of people... and "Club".... :Sad:

For reasons a lot will know,,, I for one would not come to any Meets/Rallys if segregation was implicated...

I have sollar panels but not enough to sustain the useage I need...

But I do ask the Marshall to put me on the end of a line or at the back if possible..

And having a "Whisper" quiet Honda,,,,, and tucked under the back of the M/home, you can hardley hear it unless you are stood by it...

As an alternative so as NOT to split up the club.... lets say any generators to be run must be inside m/homes with doors closed...

 

[chrisgreen]

You are right, but, having solar on this van for over three years never had a problem, you have to admit there are some who turn up at a meet, and sit on their van all day with the genny running. I have also been where they have been running them late into the night, I am partially deaf and even I could hear it..

If there had been at least three people ask the owner to do something and he/she ignored then there is a problem.

Could it be as has been suggested some guidelines as to their usage? Hours when they can be used, an option to lump genny users together to sort of 'keep the peace'.

I know if I was affected I would ask the person to be a bit more considerate, if that failed, have a chat with Jim, if that failed, i would move.

Some have advocated "live and let live" well that's fine, but there are limits to that also..

i can survive on a meet for 3/4 days without solar or genny,because my batteries are in good order,and like you i have LED's ,low wattage telly,low wattage hair dryer(for the wife) and manage my power usage,but the minute i pull out the genny to replenish my batteries the shit seems to hit the fan.
there are guidelines in place at meets concerning the use of gennies,but i set my own,on after 10am off before 6pm=160 amp's of charging:thumb:
but normally run it for a lot less,and also my genny is very quite, almost inaudible inside my own van,a lot quieter than running a van engine for charging:thumb:

 

[jonandshell]

Generator Apartheid!

Where would it end?!oh:

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[jonandshell]

Could this be the result?!

 

[ShiftZZ]

I think you are missing the point, its not genny's per se its the inconsiderate usage. There is a difference between Old Mo and his expensive silent genny compared to someone who has a very loud genny usining it all day and even when there are issues does not give a shit, "I have a genny and I is going to use it, get a life, go and camp on a CC or wild camp on Scotland."

Its a small minority who think their needs are greater than everyone else..

Most of the meets I have been to, have ,mostly been well behaved, look at Misterton and Saltfleet and Fun meetings, all fine, but there will always be one ore two who will push the boundaries and ignore everything else, even when pointed out to them.

 

[jonandshell]

But it IS unreasonable to suggest everybody should be quiet during the AFTERNOON!!!!oh:

Does the OP work nightshifts or something?

 

[Oscarbobs]

Rallies and shows have a certain atmosphere, as soon as you ban: generators,dogs,kids,smoking, drinking and people sat outside laughing after 8pm whats left? In my view if you want peace and quiet book a local Cc pitch and visit the show, dont turn up and start the "we have a problem because i dont like this" Shows/rallies/events have had a buzzing atmosphere since they started and long may it continue.:thumb:

Dave

 

[old-mo]

[HI](Quote)..
For reasons a lot will know,,, I for one would not come to any Meets/Rallys if segregation was implicated...
(Unquote)[/HI]


Only 7-15am....

And I have already had 127 PM`s asking if my statement was true...

*astards...


..

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[Snowbird]

This is one of the reasons I consider my deafness as a Godsend and not an affliction. I never have a problem sleeping through noise as am either in a drink induced slumber or hearing aids switched off .

 

[haganap]

I think one of the saddest things of a growing successful club is the friction and disrespect of others by some people...

I use to argue that I hated early morning risers opening their doors and chatting out side their vans at 0900 when I was trying to have a lay in after a heavy night.

Saturday night we had a impromptu fun party at my van until 3 am with around 40 members going for it big time. .I fell asleep in my van about 1am and the last count for me there was still 13 funsters in my van when I crashed. ..
So how can I possibly complain about noisy generators?

I don't need one as my set up is bang on. ..I can't understand people turning up at meets and immediately running a generator when their batteries are full. .. But I didn't know a 12v tv or an inverter existed 10 years ago when I started.

Perhaps education is the key for some?

But this club needs rules and regulation like a hole in the head...I loathe kippors and as I write this a genny is running.....

If you want peace and quiet and to watch the butterflies flutter maybe a fun meet with 90 vans isn't for you? But do remember 1 thing. ... There are over 90 vans and probably only 2 problematic vans (both RVs) with inboard kit.

 

[Jim]

The quietest Gennie in the world can be any make as long as you own it and have flat batteries. The loudest genny is the one running ten minutes after genny quiet time and while you're laid in bed listening to it.

I own three gennies, two Hondas and 1 Suzuki, all were bought over the years for camping use, each version more powerful and quieter than the last. But all of them are noisy under load. The big, quietest, Honda still gets used a lot but only because our part of Wales has quite a few power outages. I've not bought them away for camping for quite some time. They used to be so necessary when camping, but the last couple of years they have fast become redundant.

Just a few years ago on a rally field with a stay of more than three days, every other van had a genny. These days, unless you are on a ski resort or on a winter rally only 1 in 20 vans will have a genny. Rally fields are definitely nicer places without them.

Gennies can be a problem to carry, they are heavy, they need anchoring when travelling or they may well kill you in the event of even a slight collision, they need a fuel source, which itself can be dangerous, smelly and a pain to store safely. Even the most expensive ones scream under load, the exhaust fumes are at worse dangerous and at best smelly. And anyone parked next to you will probably fume just as much. So they haven't got much going for them

When I bought my first Genny to go camping, I had never heard of an inverter, now they can be bought for £40 at most every petrol station, and a decent one for a fraction of the cost of a genny. Inverters will power most things a van that requires 'mains' power. Wet cell batteries are better and as cheap as ever, and fitting an extra one, doubles most peoples off grid capabilities. Add the fact that LED Lights are now dirt cheap, and LED 12v Telly's consume next to nothing, then just two batteries go a long way will see most people away on a long weekend.

Yes there are people who use gennies to charge chairs and medical equipment, but if they need to run a gennie all day on a rally they should say so, because that is not fair on the people parked next to them. And if they ask, maybe a hook up can be arranged or at least have them parked to minimize the noise impact on others.

People that use Gennies on a rally field should appreciate that these days they are in a small minority and the noise is resented. If they need to run a Genny they should give thought to its location and its impact on others. They should stay within the allocated hours and only run it when absolutely necessary, and never at meal times when they see neighbours eating outside. If someones genny is ruining a meal I have no problems in asking them to turn it off for an hour, conversely, if I'm leaving my van, I'll tell the Genny user I'm away so fire it up and fill yer boots.

I never miss an opportunity to tell a genny owner, how they can easily and cheaply do without a genny for most styles of camping. There are still a few that need educating, even for their own sake of lugging the bloody thing around, but we are getting there.

 

[Flyingscotsman2]

Gennies

We'll said Jim.....:thumb:

 

[jonandshell]

Saturday night we had a impromptu fun party at my van until 3 am with around 40 members going for it big time. .I fell asleep in my van about 1am and the last count for me there was still 13 funsters in my van when I crashed. ..
So how can I possibly complain about noisy generator.

You kept us awake 150 miles away you noisy bugger!

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[Oscarbobs]

I think one of the saddest things of a growing successful club is the friction and disrespect of others by some people...

I use to argue that I hated early morning risers opening their doors and chatting out side their vans at 0900 when I was trying to have a lay in after a heavy night.

Saturday night we had a impromptu fun party at my van until 3 am with around 40 members going for it big time. .I fell asleep in my van about 1am and the last count for me there was still 13 funsters in my van when I crashed. ..
So how can I possibly complain about noisy generators?

I don't need one as my set up is bang on. ..I can't understand people turning up at meets and immediately running a generator when their batteries are full. .. But I didn't know a 12v tv or an inverter existed 10 years ago when I started.

Perhaps education is the key for some?

But this club needs rules and regulation like a hole in the head...I loathe kippors and as I write this a genny is running.....

If you want peace and quiet and to watch the butterflies flutter maybe a fun meet with 90 vans isn't for you? But do remember 1 thing. ... There are over 90 vans and probably only 2 problematic vans (both RVs) with inboard kit.

Sounds like you had a great time:thumb: What were the Rvs that youve singled out doing that was noisier than a 40 person 3am party?

Dave

 

[ukbill]

On the subject of noisy generators, we revell in the self satisfaction and knowledge that we have seen the light and will never need a Genny. We have sufficient 240v to dry hair and boil kettles for a weekend without resorting to upsetting neighbours! :thumb:

We deal with noisy gennies by turning up the TV or inviting some fellow funsters round.

Rowdy drinking into the early hours is the sweetest revenge on noisy neighbours!

i will park next to u so when me genny annoys ya i can party with u

 

[funflair]

I am not a fan of generators on camping areas (not alone there).

I respect the fact that we all have different needs and that some may NEED a generator running sometimes, personally I would not have the bottle to start one up in a crowded camping area for anything other than a dire emergency.It is usually bigger campers and RV's that seem to NEED generators,ours van is not that small either so I have put a few solar panels on the roof and here at Chester I have been getting over 20amps of charge and all my needs are covered if I needed more power there is still space on the roof.

I don't like or want a load of rules either but a little respect for others should usually be enough for us all to rub along together OK.

Apart from anything if you come to a FUN meet surely you come to meet with other like minded funsters and to socialise with them, how can you do this if you have just alienated all of your neighbours with noise and smoke.

Martin

 

[funflair]

Sounds like you had a great time:thumb: What were the Rvs that youve singled out doing that was noisier than a 40 person 3am party?

Dave

We are pitched next door to the party van and had a good nights sleep after our fun friends left at about 11:30.

Martin

 

[Snowbird]

I do carry my lovely yellow Kipor around with me, but have only ever used it once to help Old Mo with the power requirements of his ice cream van when the chiller is asking for more power and his 2 Watt solar panel has snow on it.
Have been parked up in Benidorm since November with my on board battery charger switched off and my batteries are generally full by lunchtime due to my 250 watt solar array and 330 amp battery bank.
I suggest funsters stop having these meets in the dark cold north and move all meets down to the sun where generators are not required :Cool:.

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[Jim]

Considering that at least 3 requests were made, what did the owner of the RV say?

If he/she ignored the requests then that's simply not on, I don't like genny's, if I have made the effort to have solar, LED and extra batteries installed, I did that for a reason, I wanted to have peace and quiet and not sit on a field with noisy genny's.

[HI]Did you take the issue up- with Jim? [/HI]

I accept that some individuals require extra electricity, but, as always its a minority of individuals who spoil it for everyone as their needs are greater than the majority.

Now, where are those rubber gloves and bolt cutters, ready for UKBILL and his puffing billy...

Does anyone thinks its right to name and shame? 3 Complaints never sorted it out..

We have 102 vans here at Chester. I have had two incidents of nuisance Generators, One ran a genny at around 10:30 at night. I spoke to them, they apologised, said they had power issues and did not realise the time. There genny has hardly been on since.

The RV that was the cause of problems reported here said they needed to run a genny to charge a disability scooter. Those around the RV moved to get some peace and quiet. Who can blame them for complaining, a large genny droning on for hours is no fun. And running a noisy 5.5KVA genny for hours on end really not the best way to charge a chair and education is the way forward. Either way if we see their name on a rally sheet again we'll be aware. That said, after walking by, I did not hear it running at all yesterday after the issue was reported to me.

 

[scotjimland]

I suggest funsters stop having these meets in the dark cold north and move all meets down to the sun where generators are not required :Cool:.

think you may well be correct.. :Sad:

Or maybe not.. another blunder..

 

[Oscarbobs]

We are pitched next door to the party van and had a good nights sleep after our fun friends left at about 11:30.

Martin

Im glad you got a good nights sleep Martin Im just wondering what the Rvs were doing to cause them to be singled out as the only problematic vans at the meet.

Dave

 

[estcres]

The answer is simple, effective and Eco friendly,

Get a cycle frame, adapt it to a Generator/Alternator and get SWMBO, (Who's always complaining about being overweight) to pedal like mad and produce the electricity.

Remember, it's not the Generator that makes the noise but the power unit that turns the generator.

 

[scotjimland]

The answer is simple, effective and Eco friendly,

Get a cycle frame, adapt it to a Generator/Alternator and[HI] get SWMBO[/HI], (Who's always complaining about being overweight) to pedal like mad and produce the electricity.

Remember, it's not the Generator that makes the noise but[HI] the power unit that turns the generator[/HI].

you must have an eco friendly SWMBO ..one who is quiet.. ??

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