Alert! European pet passport fiasco!!

[PrettyandFluffy]

People may have remembered we were issued a European pet passport in France recently by a small town vet who bent the rules a bit by providing one of her cheques as that was the condition (cheque with the chip number written on back)
However to our dismay when we got back to the UK yesterday there was a french letter waiting for us saying they destroyed the cheque and the pet passport is not valid . Eek!!
We were very lucky we managed to get home on it! It would have had awful consequences too as our Ukrainian family were following us and we’d all have been delayed even longer in Calais
I think the only way it would work is if you gave a French address and even then…?

The letter says your application for I-CAD (doggie ID) has been rejected, it does not mention the passport at all. Therefore as long as the passport has been completed correctly it is valid.

Can I make a general plea that when dealing with official documents in a foreign language, people should not rely on Google translate or similar; if they don't have a sufficient fluency in that language to be totally confident they have understood it fully, they should get a proper translation of it.

 

[Minxy]

I can’t believe the lengths people are taking over saving there else’s a few quid, get a life for gods sake and move on

It's not just about the money, it's the ease of using a PP compared to having the extra hassle of getting an AHC every time and hoping it's been completed correctly.

 

[Minxy]

I can’t believe the lengths people are taking over saving there else’s a few quid, get a life for gods sake and move on

It's not just about the money, it's the ease of using a PP compared to having the extra hassle of getting an AHC every time and hoping it's been completed correctly.

We are getting a life and moving on, having a PP means we can do just that rather than have Groundhog day every time we go away.

 

[Captain Birdseye]

Im not understanding why the passport would not be valid? If it has been filled in correctly with all the chip details and vaccination details then it will work regardless of anything to do with a cheque. At the ferry or tunnel They only check the rabies vac status , the chip id matches the passport and the worming tablet date. If thats all fine you're good to go

I agree.

 

[altomos]

I can’t believe the lengths people are taking over saving there else’s a few quid, get a life for gods sake and move on

A keen indenial Brexiter I see!

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[Charente16]

We are still waiting for anyone to provide a link to this supposed ‘law’. Not even I-cad themselves are aware of such a law. See the following thread:

https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/i-cad-what’s-it-all-about.260645/#post-5000673

The Rules have been laid down by the French authorities and circulated to all Vets' in France and they either abide by the Rules or are subject to an Administrative Penalty which varies according to the complaint brought against them; this could mean closure, in the worst case scenario, of the Practice for a period of time, or suspension of the offending Vet. Lesser penalties such as unable to sign - off Passports/Health Certificates for farm animals etc.,

We discussed this topic with our friends , she is a local Vet (French) when the subject of AHC vs Euro Pet Passports was first raised on this Forum. Some people still ask her for a French Pet Passport but they all still get the same answer; no way.

You are now out of the EU, so please respect the Rules. Us Brits' who live here are fed - up with being catagorised as the 'French' version of 'Whinging Poms' because of the mindset of a section of the British population who think they can have their cake and eat it.

Robert

 

[15isto2]

The Rules have been laid down by the French authorities and circulated to all Vets' in France and they either abide by the Rules or are subject to an Administrative Penalty which varies according to the complaint brought against them; this could mean closure, in the worst case scenario, of the Practice for a period of time, or suspension of the offending Vet. Lesser penalties such as unable to sign - off Passports/Health Certificates for farm animals etc.,

We discussed this topic with our friends , she is a local Vet (French) when the subject of AHC vs Euro Pet Passports was first raised on this Forum. Some people still ask her for a French Pet Passport but they all still get the same answer; no way.

You are now out of the EU, so please respect the Rules. Us Brits' who live here are fed - up with being catagorised as the 'French' version of 'Whinging Poms' because of the mindset of a section of the British population who think they can have their cake and eat it.

Robert

I think people were told they could have their cake and eat it

 

[gus-lopez]

Therefore as long as the passport has been completed correctly it is valid.

This.^^^^^^^^ & as you have just returned to the UK you know the passport works.

 

[maz]

The Rules have been laid down by the French authorities and circulated to all Vets' in France and they either abide by the Rules or are subject to an Administrative Penalty which varies according to the complaint brought against them; this could mean closure, in the worst case scenario, of the Practice for a period of time, or suspension of the offending Vet. Lesser penalties such as unable to sign - off Passports/Health Certificates for farm animals etc.,

Maybe you can post a copy of these Rules …….

 

[emjaiuk]

The Rules have been laid down by the French authorities and circulated to all Vets' in France and they either abide by the Rules or are subject to an Administrative Penalty which varies according to the complaint brought against them; this could mean closure, in the worst case scenario, of the Practice for a period of time, or suspension of the offending Vet. Lesser penalties such as unable to sign - off Passports/Health Certificates for farm animals etc.,

We discussed this topic with our friends , she is a local Vet (French) when the subject of AHC vs Euro Pet Passports was first raised on this Forum. Some people still ask her for a French Pet Passport but they all still get the same answer; no way.

You are now out of the EU, so please respect the Rules. Us Brits' who live here are fed - up with being catagorised as the 'French' version of 'Whinging Poms' because of the mindset of a section of the British population who think they can have their cake and eat it.

Robert

Why does it appear impossible to obtain a copy of the 'Rules'? Everybody talks of them yet nobody seems to have seen them. As for being categorised as 'Whinging Poms' as far as I am aware Brits merely want to be treated as other non EU citizens when it comes to obtaining a Pet Passport, which after all is merely a pet travel document recording the pets inoculation status/history. Since you appear to be a French resident and have time on your hands you should be ideally placed to explain why it appears to be only France which seems to be putting obstacles in the the way of issuing EU documents.

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[gradyp]

Why does it appear impossible to obtain a copy of the 'Rules'? Everybody talks of them yet nobody seems to have seen them. As for being categorised as 'Whinging Poms' as far as I am aware Brits merely want to be treated as other non EU citizens when it comes to obtaining a Pet Passport, which after all is merely a pet travel document recording the pets inoculation status/history. Since you appear to be a French resident and have time on your hands you should be ideally placed to explain why it appears to be only France which seems to be putting obstacles in the the way of issuing EU documents.

The Spanish are also starting to apply this non-residence rule ,,,, I mentioned a while back that I had a conversation with a women back in January that worked in a vets in Benidorm and she said that they where going to stop issuing PP to non residents as directed by there authorities

 

[uzsnowdrop]

I thought that too and giggled initially but didn't want to divert from the op

Me too

 

[maz]

The Spanish are also starting to apply this non-residence rule ,,,, I mentioned a while back that I had a conversation with a women back in January that worked in a vets in Benidorm and she said that they where going to stop issuing PP to non residents as directed by there authorities

And we’ve yet to see this rule too ……..

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

I would also be really concerned if someone was posting these to you!

Especially used ones

 

[maz]

Why does it appear impossible to obtain a copy of the 'Rules'? Everybody talks of them yet nobody seems to have seen them. As for being categorised as 'Whinging Poms' as far as I am aware Brits merely want to be treated as other non EU citizens when it comes to obtaining a Pet Passport, which after all is merely a pet travel document recording the pets inoculation status/history. Since you appear to be a French resident and have time on your hands you should be ideally placed to explain why it appears to be only France which seems to be putting obstacles in the the way of issuing EU documents.

Not so much a case of ‘Whinging Poms’ as ‘Drawbridge Expats’.

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[Northernraider]

The Rules have been laid down by the French authorities and circulated to all Vets' in France and they either abide by the Rules or are subject to an Administrative Penalty which varies according to the complaint brought against them; this could mean closure, in the worst case scenario, of the Practice for a period of time, or suspension of the offending Vet. Lesser penalties such as unable to sign - off Passports/Health Certificates for farm animals etc.,

We discussed this topic with our friends , she is a local Vet (French) when the subject of AHC vs Euro Pet Passports was first raised on this Forum. Some people still ask her for a French Pet Passport but they all still get the same answer; no way.

You are now out of the EU, so please respect the Rules. Us Brits' who live here are fed - up with being catagorised as the 'French' version of 'Whinging Poms' because of the mindset of a section of the British population who think they can have their cake and eat it.

Robert

Half the country didn't ask to be in this situation so get off your high horse.

My dogs are EU citizens therfore they are entitled to EU passports

 

[Charente16]

Half the country didn't ask to be in this situation so get off your high horse.

My dogs are EU citizens therfore they are entitled to EU passports

It's not your half that is the Problem, its' the other half!

Unfortunately, it is the owners place of residence that matters not the dogs place of birth; my dog is/was Swiss, now French. I'm still a Brit

Robert

 

[Northernraider]

It's not your half that is the Problem, its' the other half!

Unfortunately, it is the owners place of residence that matters not the dogs place of birth; my dog is/was Swiss, now French. I'm still a Brit

Robert

Actually it doesn't . 2 of my dogs have spanish passports and one has greek. No problems whatsoever. Its just the french being assholes again.

And expats doing what expats do.

 

[Charente16]

For the record I'm an immigrant , not an Ex - Pat. There is a difference.

Robert

 

[gus-lopez]

It's not your half that is the Problem, its' the other half!

Unfortunately, it is the owners place of residence that matters not the dogs place of birth; my dog is/was Swiss, now French. I'm still a Brit

Robert

The problem is that France,& possibly other countries,are trying to "outlaw" by dubious means something that is perfectly legal.
there is no real requirement for the owners address to be in the pet passport. Additionally even if there was if I then sell the dog,cat ferret, to someone else in another country the passport still remains vaild. There is a 'change of address' space. There is no requirement to obtain a new passport until the spaces are exhausted.
For all the effort being put in to trying to stop the use of pet passports supplied in other countries the easy way around it is for a resident to register the animal at there address ,then "sell it on" & then "change the address & owner".

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[JeffH]

We have just arrived in France a week ago and we were charged 250.00 by our vet for the AHC. We have been with them 10 plus years. He said it takes him an hour to complete. Is this normal and what have others been charged?

 

[ukfetchfan]

Our Vet in the New Forest, who I have been with for over 30years, are refusing to complete the AHC’s. They sent an email in January basically saying that due to them being unable to recruit new Veterinary Staff they felt sure that we would prefer the Vets spent their time making sick animals well, rather than completing a lengthy bureaucratic document. As a Practice they have lodged their complaint against the new process.

So we went to Passpets at Havant who completed the process very quickly and efficiently. £99 for the first dog and £50 for each subsequent dog on the same form. I would highly recommend going to a ‘specialist’ AHC provider as they are doing so many their systems are spot on for ensuring the form is completed correctly.

I leave on Tuesday for a 88 day trip through Holland, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland & Luxembourg. I shall try along the way for a Pet Passport. Will report back if we are successful- or not.

 

[uzsnowdrop]

Half the country didn't ask to be in this situation so get off your high horse.

My dogs are EU citizens therfore they are entitled to EU passports

No probs here, mines a German shepherd

 

[Googlebot]

We have just arrived in France a week ago and we were charged 250.00 by our vet for the AHC. We have been with them 10 plus years. He said it takes him an hour to complete. Is this normal and what have others been charged?

Just used Abbeywell vets in Folkestone, £99.

The sooner we sort out the fiasco the better. Can’t see that happening soon though, we have yet to default of the required customs checks which we haven’t a hope in hell of completing so negotiations for pet passports will be way down the list.

 

[Minxy]

We have just arrived in France a week ago and we were charged 250.00 by our vet for the AHC. We have been with them 10 plus years. He said it takes him an hour to complete. Is this normal and what have others been charged?

That's extortionate ... we paid £99 for first dog and then £30 for each additionally dog, a total of £159 for our 3 dogs.

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[SWW]

We are still waiting for anyone to provide a link to this supposed ‘law’. Not even I-cad themselves are aware of such a law. See the following thread:

https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/i-cad-what’s-it-all-about.260645/#post-5000673

I can’t believe the lengths people are taking over saving there else’s a few quid, get a life for gods sake and move on

 

[SWW]

As others have pointed out the cost and potential for a mistake on the AHC is very off putting. Our daughter lives in Germany and had the bad luck to be made seriously ill by the Moderna vaccine last summer. We went over to support her husband and young son. Our vet in Cambridge did the AHC for our three animals and charged a very reasonable £120 but urged us to get a German passport. In October we had to come home for a week for medical appointments and got German passports for 2 dogs and elderly cat. No problems about crossing from Calais Eurotunnel or returning to Germany. (We had to have temporary visas on compassionate grounds). We have recently returned to the UK and again no problems. In the German passport there is a page for ownership and address and we used my daughter’s address but I know that German vets will still issue passports for moterhomers. We feel it is important to travel with all paperwork relevant to the pet such as microchip paperwork, old passport etc.

 

[chaser]

The joys of keeping dogs, hey.

 

[SWW]

Yes, they give a lot of joy to our little grandson while his mother was was away for weeks on end in hospital with no chance of him visiting her.