Ah yes ... another government gem!

More control. Very soon the retirement age will coincide with a government maximum age limit for driving.
 
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The rulings should apply to them all but the frequency of testing should reflect the age groups in which things are more likely to deteriorate more quickly. That's not ageism its accepting reality the same as some medical conditions require extra tests.
That would be covered in my post #86.
 
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It’s not your age it’s your fitness never think yourself old. So many do it, ooh I’m getting older my family says I need to buy a bungalow and then my health will deteriorate even quicker.

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A lot of these problems could be solved IF drivers had to pick up their licences from a local office instead of through the post from Swansea. Then a eye test could be carried out before the issue.


The Government wants Local Councils to have more input into local business, why not start here?🤔
What sort of "eye test" are you thinking of and how many staff would the DVLA need to recruit! What happens in remote areas where the nearest office could be a couple of hundred miles round trip. It's totally impractical.
 
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What sort of "eye test" are you thinking of and how many staff would the DVLA need to recruit! What happens in remote areas where the nearest office could be a couple of hundred miles round trip. It's totally impractical.

We used to have regional vehicle licensing offices.
No reason why you could go to an office after an eye test on the way.

Spec savers make house visits apparently 🤷‍♂️
 
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I can't see many on here who renew their C licence regularly being keen on a lengthy journey every time

So someone that uses their motorhome for leisure wouldnt be prepared to travel to continue their license entitlement 🤔

Seems a strange thing to say 🤷‍♂️
 
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I can't see many on here who renew their C licence regularly being keen on a lengthy journey every time
Strict solutions to a problem are rarely popular!

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Strict solutions to a problem are rarely popular!
True. But in the context of an eye test presumably you are thinking of a check just on reading a number plate ( or an equivalent). Better than nothing but would miss people with a significant visual field defect which is likely to have much more of an effect on driving safety . That would mean actually making a appointment to collect the licence. I have had a couple of people in the past trying to drive with total loss of sight to one side in both eyes and an hgv driver with advanced glaucoma and a visual field which precludes any driving. Neither would be picked up by a vision check.

This was the cause of the vision loss to one side


Funnily enough both people who came with the hemianopia were unaware of the vision loss they just knew something wasn't quite right ( one had seen their GP and been prescribed eye drops!).

Much better to have compulsory proper eye exams with a visual field test at set intervals quite often not routinely done as it takes time and there's no money in it. At the same time it would be a great idea to integrate driving licence with a national ID card to prevent people taking the test for someone else.
 
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What sort of "eye test" are you thinking of and how many staff would the DVLA need to recruit! What happens in remote areas where the nearest office could be a couple of hundred miles round trip. It's totally impractical.
Strange, they managed it in Sydney when I lived there.
Plus there used to be vehicle licencing offices all over the UK until a few years ago.
Ours was in Chelmsford.
 
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The same could be said of a younger person stealing a car and probably never took a test or held a license.

These youths drive without a care in the world.
Very low punishments given out and not their hard earned buy the vehicle.

Makes you wonder which is worse 🤔
If an elderly person is declared unfit to drive and then gets in a car then perhaps treat them the same as someone who gets in a car without a licence. With regard to the youngsters who steal a car I have no compassion, if I hear they’ve crashed I’m just relieved if no one else was involved.
 
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Strange, they managed it in Sydney when I lived there.
Plus there used to be vehicle licencing offices all over the UK until a few years ago.
Ours was in Chelmsford.
What they did a visual field test or do you mean you just read a chart?

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As an aside, it’s difficult to legislate for stupid. I know of someone who turned up for their test. Stood outside and passed the eye sight test but when the examiner said ‘now take me to your vehicle’ his response was ‘ I thought you provided that’.
 
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As an aside, it’s difficult to legislate for stupid. I know of someone who turned up for their test. Stood outside and passed the eye sight test but when the examiner said ‘now take me to your vehicle’ his response was ‘ I thought you provided that’.
A form of natural selection!
 
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current rulenew rule from August 2025
Licence Renewal Age7070 (Unchanged)
Renewal FrequencyEvery 3 yearsEvery 3 years (Unchanged)
Medical DeclarationSelf-assessedStill self-declared; GP form may be required if flagged
Vision & Cognitive TestingRarely requestedRequired only for flagged or high-risk cases
DVLA Fitness ReviewsBased on form infoRandom spot-checks and reviews may increase


As posted elsewhere
 
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If an elderly person is declared unfit to drive and then gets in a car then perhaps treat them the same as someone who gets in a car without a licence.

That is how they are treated if declared unfit, they effectively do not have a license.

The rub is not all that arnt fit arnt declared.
This is due to the “self assessment” notification.

I hold a coach/bus license and have to have a medical I can’t see why something similar isn’t used for anyone say over 65 or 70.
At least as said an eye test.

As for these nobs that steal cars, when are they going to be treated as criminals 🤷‍♂️

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It's not picking on old uns, it's actually meant to make it safer for everyone, it's not so easy to realise as you get older that your eyesight for instance is deteriorating gradually as you just adjust to it probably without realising it's getting too bad to drive.
This is probably true.

I had a very interesting conversation with my optician a couple of years ago. I asked about wearing glasses making your eyesight worse, and she said it isn't true and it's natural degeneration or other condition that causes this and not the glasses. She said your brain does a fantastic job of "filling in the missing bits" when your eyesight is poor. When you wear glasses this negates the need for your brain to do this wonderful act. This is why when you take your glasses off everything is much burrier than it would be after a while, when your brain starts to do its magic again and fill in the gaps.

I suspect the above is why many think their eyesight is fine, but is is actually almost a human AI, with your brain actually adding artificial information where your eyes can't actually define it.

As noted earlier in the thread by someone, only when you put on correct prescription glasses do you see what you're actually looking at, and not some make-do image your brain is putting together.

Note: The above are the opinions of my optician, not me. I just thought it was fascinating and made perfect sense.
 
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What they did a visual field test or do you mean you just read a chart?
When I did it, I had to read a chart at the back of the office behind the man sitting behind the grill, if you couldn't, he refused your licence.
Then it was your problem, not his!

Presumably, everyone made sure their eyesight was good enough before applying, I know I did!
 
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A lot of these problems could be solved IF drivers had to pick up their licences from a local office instead of through the post from Swansea. Then a eye test could be carried out before the issue.


The Government wants Local Councils to have more input into local business, why not start here?🤔
You could put the sign really high up and in small print........
 
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This is probably true.

I had a very interesting conversation with my optician a couple of years ago. I asked about wearing glasses making your eyesight worse, and she said it isn't true and it's natural degeneration or other condition that causes this and not the glasses. She said your brain does a fantastic job of "filling in the missing bits" when your eyesight is poor. When you wear glasses this negates the need for your brain to do this wonderful act. This is why when you take your glasses off everything is much burrier than it would be after a while, when your brain starts to do its magic again and fill in the gaps.

I suspect the above is why many think their eyesight is fine, but is is actually almost a human AI, with your brain actually adding artificial information where your eyes can't actually define it.

As noted earlier in the thread by someone, only when you put on correct prescription glasses do you see what you're actually looking at, and not some make-do image your brain is putting together.

Note: The above are the opinions of my optician, not me. I just thought it was fascinating and made perfect sense.
It's perfectly true. The reason people like to think wearing specs makes your eyes worse is because it's getting old that makes them worse and people want to find an alternative explanation. If it was wearing specs that made them worse no one would ever need the first pair!
On it being more blurred after you take them off it's just that you know what you're missing.

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When I did it, I had to read a chart at the back of the office behind the man sitting behind the grill, if you couldn't, he refused your licence.
Then it was your problem, not his!

Presumably, everyone made sure their eyesight was good enough before applying, I know I did!
Exactly my point you can pass that test with sight that's not legal for driving it's not pointless but close to.
 
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Exactly my point you can pass that test with sight that's not legal for driving it's not pointless but close to.
It was the lower half ( the smaller letters) of exactly the same chart as the opticians used at the time, and still did for my HGV & PSV medical a few years ago, so why is it not legal for driving?

Can I say though, I think it's wonderful how you can make such a definite judgement without ever seeing it! 😄
 
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No it doesn't - ignore road signs at your own peril

I don’t know the answer to the following but maybe Oldrat might clarify.

A stay in lane sign is advisory unless each lane has a solid white line each side.

An overhead gantry speed limit sign is enforceable as is a red X for lane closed.

I’m always amused when drivers think the oblong signs with a speed limit indicated think it’s an actual speed limit sign.
It’s not it’s an advisory speed 😊
 
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No it doesn't - ignore road signs at your own peril
Yes it is. If you hog the middle or right lanes when the inside lanes are clear you could be stopped (although highly unlikely) and potentially fined.
Lane hogging, or middle lane hogging, on motorways is the practice of remaining in the middle lane when the left lane is clear. It's considered poor driving behavior and is illegal in the UK. Offenders can face on-the-spot fines of £100 and three penalty points on their license.

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Yes it is. If you hog the middle or right lanes when the inside lanes are clear you could be stopped (although highly unlikely) and potentially fined.
Lane hogging, or middle lane hogging, on motorways is the practice of remaining in the middle lane when the left lane is clear. It's considered poor driving behavior and is illegal in the UK. Offenders can face on-the-spot fines of £100 and three penalty points on their license.

On the spot fines in the UK, I've never heard of that? 🤔
 
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