A shake up in roadtax in 2017.

[Neil S]

If you are not using the MH in any particular month, and it is not parked on a public road then it is so easy to (on line) SORN it so you don't pay VED when you are not using it. I have done this on several occasions and always get the refund cheque in less than a week. Just as easy to re-tax it on line when you want to use it again.


Dave

I would but we have limited space with 2 other cars and a caravan at home and sometimes it need to sit on the public road so not an option .

 

[2657]

Not everyone can afford to take the I have what I want attitude. To a lot the costs of running vehicles can and does say if they can buy.

VED is quite high on MHs despite the fact that most do minimal mileage and often extremely few in this country as many drive only to and from the ferry ports.

I'm my humble opinion VED should be charged on fuel . That way those with guzzlers or who do the miles pay as they should the most .

We are talking about new motorhomes here, are you seriously suggesting that an extra £310 a year would stop someone paying £40000+ for a new motorhome.

I would agree that to many the running costs are important, me included, I can't afford to buy a new motorhome but I am certain that if I could then £310 a year would not be a deal breaker, whatever the rights and wrongs of the tax regime.

 

[busby]

For someone who only uses there motorhome for about 4/5 weeks in every year I object to paying £45 a month for it to sit for the other 10/11 months . Ok for folks who can go away when ever they want but I don't have that luxury . I was going to upgrade to a new Dethleffs in 2017 but I don't see why I should pay VED at £230 +£310 for it to sit unused .

SORN it when not using it,,BUSBY,,

 

[busby]

We are talking about new motorhomes here, are you seriously suggesting that an extra £310 a year would stop someone paying £40000+ for a new motorhome.

I would agree that to many the running costs are important, me included, I can't afford to buy a new motorhome but I am certain that if I could then £310 a year would not be a deal breaker, whatever the rights and wrongs of the tax regime.

AGREE,,if you can't afford the tax then you can't afford a new van,,BUSBY,,

 

[Neil S]

SORN it when not using it,,BUSBY,,

I keep it on a public road that's not an option

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[cruiser]

Thanks for the info @busby . But as my van is petrol and 26 years old. I do not care about admissions.

 

[Lenny HB]

And new Motorhomes will also be subject the extra £310 + standard VED rate from next April

Rates for Motorhomes will be unchanged next year unless the emissions are on the Certificate of Conformity.

The VED bands are based on data supplied by the vehicle manufacturers. In the case of a motorhome that would be the base vehicle manufacturer.

Not correct Motorhomes have two or three Certificates of Conformity, Base vehicle C of C, Al-Ko C of C if not the original chassis and the converters C of C. The last one overrides the previous two and the converters one does not have emissions on it as they will have changed from the base vehicle.

 

[bubble63]

PS...Nice yoke by the way.

Its no yoke, I just bought it............honest

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Not correct Motorhomes have two or three Certificates of Conformity, Base vehicle C of C, Al-Ko C of C if not the original chassis and the converters C of C. The last one overrides the previous two and the converters one does not have emissions on it as they will have changed from the base vehicle.

Well done on only quoting half of my post.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Where have you seen this? I've been trying to find out as the bands are based on emissions, which aren't usually on a motorhome's V5.

Bloody good job to, if they put the emission rate down it would put you int the top rates like Bentley etc. one or two people have been caught out when the dealer put down the emission figure, they got crucified, with the amount.

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[GWAYGWAY]

SORN it when not using it,,BUSBY,,

Quite and arrange to go for the minimum time in the month, Tax on the first day and the last day Sorn it. one monthat a time just arrange it for the right timing and when you want to use it.

 

[magicsurfbus]

Late update on this topic, which has been of some interest to me as we're buying a new MH.

The dealer assures me that if the Certificate of Conformity on a newly-made MH up to 3.5 tonnes does not state a CO2 emission level, it will continue to be classed as a PLG (Private Light Goods) vehicle and will be taxed under the old banding system (ie £235 VED pa) even after April 2017.

He maintains that the new 'luxury' vehicle premium (ie £315 extra VED pa for 5 years if list price is over £40K) will not apply to the PLG taxation class.

It is common practice in the industry to not state a CO2 emission level for MHs. Take a look on your V5.

All vehicles (cars, MHs, etc) registered before April 2017 will pay VED according to the old banding system anyway, so my '09 Fiat Panda will still be only £30ish VED pa until it falls to bits. If it lasts to 2049 it will become tax exempt.

 

[MitchandJenny]

Foghorn Leghorn..
If I were in your position, I would have my M/H OFF the road and SORNED.
Put one of the other cars in the road. ??
Mitch.

 

[Neil S]

Foghorn Leghorn..
If I were in your position, I would have my M/H OFF the road and SORNED.
Put one of the other cars in the road. ??
Mitch.

That's what I'll be doing as when I need to . Probably two or three times a year . I'm not paying £500+ a year for it to sit for up to three months at a time without being used . However if new Motorhomes under 3.5 tons are not affected by the new VED changes I won't bother .

 

[pappajohn]

The VED bands are based on data supplied by the vehicle manufacturers. In the case of a motorhome that would be the base vehicle manufacturer.

It's not usually relevant for motorhomes anyway as the base vehicles are commercial and the rates for commercial vehicles work differently.

All VWs will be zero rated then.

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[pappajohn]

Shame. If I bought a one year old Disco in 2018 road tax would be £140. Currently I pay £505 so strangely one of the highest CO2 vehicles is to become cheaper.

No it wouldnt.
Theres a £300 or £400 annual extra surcharge for the first 4 or 5 years then it drops to £140pa

 

[spitfire]

You mean some people in the UK actually pay road tax ? The majority who ate travelling around Europe don't ! Maybe they don't know you can check on DVLA site .

 

[spitfire]

Quite and arrange to go for the minimum time in the month, Tax on the first day and the last day Sorn it. one monthat a time just arrange it for the right timing and when you want to use it.

Or SORN it if you are going to Europe afterall you don't need it there it seems!

 

[Silver-Fox]

You mean some people in the UK actually pay road tax ? The majority who ate travelling around Europe don't ! Maybe they don't know you can check on DVLA site .

How does that work then?

 

[spitfire]

How does that work then?

Suggest u ask if anyone on the site has done it as I live in France so not sure but guess they SORN as they leave and cash in the road tax and retax on line just before getting back. Also wonder how a van I saw today had the tax due 2015 but has an MOT till 30/6/17 . Sound legit to you ?

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[busby]

I can't believe that anyone who can afford £50000 for a motorhome would really worry about an extra £250 a year,,£5 a week on their road tax,,,Takes all sorts,,i have a friend who is loaded that loves lamb but buys pork because its cheaper,,,His kids will be happy with their inheritance,,BUSBY,,

 

[spitfire]

I can't believe that anyone who can afford £50000 for a motorhome would really worry about an extra £250 a year,,£5 a week on their road tax,,,Takes all sorts,,i have a friend who is loaded that loves lamb but buys pork because its cheaper,,,His kids will be happy with their inheritance,,BUSBY,,

Nor me . Of 5 checked today 2 had no MOT or tax .

 

[spitfire]

I can't believe that anyone who can afford £50000 for a motorhome would really worry about an extra £250 a year,,£5 a week on their road tax,,,Takes all sorts,,i have a friend who is loaded that loves lamb but buys pork because its cheaper,,,His kids will be happy with their inheritance,,BUSBY,,

Do you notice the outpouring of horror when lack of tax or MOT or vehicles SORNED on Europe's roads are mentioned ? Thought not ! I wonder why ???

 

[pappajohn]

Suggest u ask if anyone on the site has done it as I live in France so not sure but guess they SORN as they leave and cash in the road tax and retax on line just before getting back. Also wonder how a van I saw today had the tax due 2015 but has an MOT till 30/6/17 . Sound legit to you ?

You dont need tax to get an MOT (pointless exersize) but you do need an MOT to get tax.

 

[spitfire]

You dont need tax to get an MOT (pointless exersize) but you do need an MOT to get tax.

So quite legal to be in the road in Europe without road tax ?

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[KeithMak]

Suggest u ask if anyone on the site has done it as I live in France so not sure but guess they SORN as they leave and cash in the road tax and retax on line just before getting back. Also wonder how a van I saw today had the tax due 2015 but has an MOT till 30/6/17 . Sound legit to you ?

By this, do you mean the 'tax disc' was displayed in the windscreen was out of date displaying 2015 because if so it is not a requirement to display the 'disc' any-more and in fact are not issued.

 

[spitfire]

By this, do you mean the 'tax disc' was displayed in the windscreen was out of date displaying 2015 because if so it is not a requirement to display the 'disc' any-more and in fact are not issued.

No on DVLA site it stated no road tax since 2015 but MOT till 2017 and vehicle is in Portugal !

 

[KeithMak]

Ah! I see.

I expect it was sorned but of course it can be driven quite legally to an MOT station as long as the appointment is pre-booked.

A long journey but nip over to Dover/Folkstone, pre booked MOT and straight back to France on the first available ferry/train.

Of course the DVLA site may be wrong.

 

[spitfire]

Ah! I see.

I expect it was sorned but of course it can be driven quite legally to an MOT station as long as the appointment is pre-booked.

A long journey but nip over to Dover/Folkstone, pre booked MOT and straight back to France on the first available ferry/train.

Of course the DVLA site may be wrong.

Of course it could be wrong but not as many times as there are vans and cars not road legal in Europe ! It is horrifying when you start checking ! And my issue is that they don't hit me and also they would be the first to decry vehicles from other European countries for not being legal in the UK .

 

[Minxy]

Just to clarify for those who don't know, when you are using your MH, whether in the UK or abroad, on public roads it MUST be legal in your home country - ie you must have it taxed and insured (and MOTed if applicable) as if you were using it back in the UK, otherwise you could find that as well as other offences you are NOT insured!

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