A ferry from Scotland petition

[Gizmouk]

Eh ?
The service is due to be extended from commercial freight to full passenger service next year. Although now looking more likely to go to Dunkirk.
Fortunately nothing to do with the Scottish Government (so no point in Change.org), or Calmac (so ferry might actually run).

 

[Garfields]

A ferry back to Norway would be my preference.
Not fussed if it was from Rosyth or back to Newcastle.

As an aside if your thinking of going Newcastle Amsterdam next summer with your Motorhome you need to get a move on as a lot of dates already unavailable and what's available is ££££

 

[Brains]

(44 years in the maritime sector here)

For Scotland, the only logical route to the mainland would be a more regular (2-4 times a day) route from the Tyne area to the Netherlands (Ijmuiden or Rotterdam/Hoek). Ideally with a Scottish government guarantee to make it viable all year around.

For northern England, north Wales, Northern Ireland and northern Eire, then a logical route would be the A55/M62 corridor Holyhead/Liverpool/Manchester/Leeds to the Humber Hull/Immingham/Grimsby running a regular ferry to the Netherlands (Ijmuiden or Rotterdam/Hoek), again ideally with a Government (UK &/or The NI/Welsh/Scottish governments) guarantees to ensure it remains viable.

Unfortunately the UK Government and the devolved assemblies (especially Scotland) have a long history of proving utterly incapable of setting up, running or even simply guaranteeing any sort of maritime transportation infrastructure.
It's almost like the politicians don't understand they live on a small island!

For those with short memories here are some recent 'classics' which for those in the maritime sector you simply could not even make up!
'Failing' Grayling and his ferry company in Ramsgate
Domonic Raab had not quite understood the importance of Dover
and the classic Scottish Government Ferry Fiasco

 

[Tea Bag]

Hi.
Done the Immingham to Rotterdam/Europort,freight only. Trouble is "British rail hubs and Yards at docks " can shift hundreds of containers from Scotland to anywhere QUICK. Love the idea of a car train down to the southern ports,but that is never going to happen. Perhaps put more pressure on the shipping lines out of Immingham/Grimsby/Hull.After all,we all share the ferries from Dover etc. Hull ? Lived there and shipped out of Hull Ferry Terminal with a car.
Tea Bag

 

[Bailey58]

(44 years in the maritime sector here)

For Scotland, the only logical route to the mainland would be a more regular (2-4 times a day) route from the Tyne area to the Netherlands (Ijmuiden or Rotterdam/Hoek). Ideally with a Scottish government guarantee to make it viable all year around.

For northern England, north Wales, Northern Ireland and northern Eire, then a logical route would be the A55/M62 corridor Holyhead/Liverpool/Manchester/Leeds to the Humber Hull/Immingham/Grimsby running a regular ferry to the Netherlands (Ijmuiden or Rotterdam/Hoek), again ideally with a Government (UK &/or The NI/Welsh/Scottish governments) guarantees to ensure it remains viable.

Unfortunately the UK Government and the devolved assemblies (especially Scotland) have a long history of proving utterly incapable of setting up, running or even simply guaranteeing any sort of maritime transportation infrastructure.
It's almost like the politicians don't understand they live on a small island!

For those with short memories here are some recent 'classics' which for those in the maritime sector you simply could not even make up!
'Failing' Grayling and his ferry company in Ramsgate
Domonic Raab had not quite understood the importance of Dover
and the classic Scottish Government Ferry Fiasco

Your comment on the UK Government is spot on. As a member of the campaign group mentioned in the attached emails we worked tirelessly since the closure of the route to Esbjerg in 2014 contacting MP's and anyone remotely interested in a return of this route. Robert Jenrick was contacted by a constituent and apart from dismissing the idea misunderstood the entire context of the letter. I had to suppress a laugh when he went on to become a Minister.

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[bigtwin]

So they want to drive thousands of miles round Europe but can't be bothered to drive to Newcastle?

Who are they?

Ian

 

[jannyman]

“They”….oh dear…….

Aye. You get used to it after a while.

 

[Neil S]

Rosyth to Dunkirk how many hours crossing roughly ?

 

[jannyman]

Rosyth to Dunkirk how many hours crossing roughly ?

Difficult to give an accurate answer but the old Rosyth - Zeebrugge was about fifteen hours overnight if I remember correctly.
Unforgettable entry back into the UK sailing up the Firth of Forth and under the bridges. Helped alleviate the end of holiday depression!

 

[Neil S]

Difficult to give an accurate answer but the old Rosyth - Zeebrugge was about fifteen hours overnight if I remember correctly.
Unforgettable entry back into the UK sailing up the Firth of Forth and under the bridges. Helped alleviate the end of holiday depression!

Looking at Dunkirk it about approx 50 miles west of Zeebrugge so sailing times would at most an extra hour
be good for folks in the central belt or further North
Doubt I’d use it though as the tunnel is 9-9.5 hours at most from us as we’re only 20 mins from Carlisle in DG

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[bilM]

So they

And you wonder why we (they) want away from England.

 

[Brains]

Your comment on the UK Government is spot on. As a member of the campaign group mentioned in the attached emails we worked tirelessly since the closure of the route to Esbjerg in 2014 contacting MP's and anyone remotely interested in a return of this route. Robert Jenrick was contacted by a constituent and apart from dismissing the idea misunderstood the entire context of the letter. I had to suppress a laugh when he went on to become a Minister.

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I'm sort of hoping that the EU will step in on behalf of the Republic of Ireland.
And subsidise &/or guarantee a ferry between Dublin and Holyhead and then a matching service between the Humber and Ijmuiden/Rotterdam.

Two pricing structures, those going straight through to Dublin pay one (subsidised) price, and those from the UK paying another (unsubsidised) price
The condition would be UK customs clearing the (sealed) cargo instantly as long as it was going straight to Ireland with no drop offs or deviation.
(The idea is not new, the Swiss and Austrians have been doing this for trans alpine cargos to/from Italy since the 1950's)

It would mean an unaccompanied trailer could do Dublin to Rotterdam with only 4 hours of driving and be anywhere on the north western mainland with 'next day' delivery.

It would save the Irish many, many, man days with their current shipping routes via France, it would also alleviate a lot of the congestion at Dover.

 

[cyberyacht]

Rosyth to Dunkirk how many hours crossing roughly ?

It's over 400 miles, so I would think you are looking at 24-28 hours unless they go for a Fastcat.

 

[PaddyM]

And you wonder why we (they) want away from England.

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