90 days in 180

[Googlebot]

I will be in France on the 31st December, my next scheduled trip to the uk is 16th April...... I expect a gallic shrug when i get to the passport control "au revoir à bientôt".

I will be back in France within a month.

You won’t be back in France when they stop you at the border, refuse you entry and turn you around having wasted the ferry or tunnel cost.

The rules will apply to all, not sure why you would think they won’t be bothered, I am quite sure they will enforce it just as much as we will.

 

[suavecarve]

This feels like deja vu

Or as they say in Poland "Deja vu"

 

[Pete5996]

You won’t be back in France when they stop you at the border, refuse you entry and turn you around having wasted the ferry or tunnel cost.

The rules will apply to all, not sure why you would think they won’t be bothered, I am quite sure they will enforce it just as much as we will.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Augusta08 may be resident in France, in which case his plans are perfectly acceptable, surely? Not entirely disadvantageous living here, you know...

 

[OldCodger]

OldC read Gus post carefully - he said 'permanent foreign resident. A person on a tempoary reidence has the right to live in his host country indefinitely, but is limited to 90 days in the rest of Schengen just like non-EU citizens. He can later(usually after 5 years) convert to permanent residence and then aquires the rights as Gus described.

Geoff

it’s late. I might have missed summat however I thought that’s what I said.

 

[Otter Spotter]

As long as Ms Sturgeon isn’t successful with her Scottish Independence then she rejoins the EU I will be happy that I can still travel throughout Scotland without a passport. Worse could happen, she gets independence and Shetland get it from Scotland and go back in with Denmark, doesn’t bear thinking about

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[OldCodger]

You won’t be back in France when they stop you at the border, refuse you entry and turn you around having wasted the ferry or tunnel cost.

The rules will apply to all, not sure why you would think they won’t be bothered, I am quite sure they will enforce it just as much as we will.

Their systems will “enforce it” the same for the Brits as for the Yanks and the Aussies. There’s no special case for us in future.

We just need to adapt to the brave new world. (Or in some of our cases remind ourselves what it was like Pre EU !)

 

[OldCodger]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Augusta08 may be resident in France, in which case his plans are perfectly acceptable, surely? Not entirely disadvantageous living here, you know...

Loved working in France Belgium Holland and Sweden. Only regret is I decided to stay a UK resident. I now miss out My choice, my consequences.

#IfIKnewThenWhatIKnowNow

 

[OldCodger]

Or as they say in Poland "Deja vu"

All over again!

 

[Googlebot]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Augusta08 may be resident in France, in which case his plans are perfectly acceptable, surely? Not entirely disadvantageous living here, you know...

I am very jealous!!

 

[Offagain]

But in different ways. the Uk resident can only have 90/180 in all schengen. The permanent foreign resident with TIE can have 90 days in one eu state then 90 in next door etc; exactly the same as now.

We have residency for Greece which “they“ have said will be automatically converted to non eu member state residency after 31/12/20. In which case we will be able to spend as much time here as we like and use our 90/180 in other eu countries.

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[2657]

Different countries seem to have different approaches to Residency and how it is granted.

I have an EU residency certificate granted in Portugal, it is valid for 5 years after which I can apply for one which lasts a further 10 years, is this permanent?

It is certainly not a 'temporary residence permit' as this only lasts for one year in Portugal.

 

[Augusta08]

You won’t be back in France when they stop you at the border, refuse you entry and turn you around having wasted the ferry or tunnel cost.

The rules will apply to all, not sure why you would think they won’t be bothered, I am quite sure they will enforce it just as much as we will.

They can't stop me I've a carte de séjour.

 

[Coolcats]

So much irony...

Not really, many of our toll roads are run by the French, many buildings and apartments n London are financed by and owned by foreign interests from Asia, Australasia, Russia and the US. It’s being part of the Gloabal economy and much of the UK has been sold off including water and energy companies that are owned by foreign interests. Passport production is just a tiny example.

 

[2657]

Not really, many of our toll roads are run by the French, many buildings and apartments n London are financed by and owned by foreign interests from Asia, Australasia, Russia and the US. It’s being part of the Gloabal economy and much of the UK has been sold off including water and energy companies that are owned by foreign interests. Passport production is just a tiny example.

And much of our Railways owned by foreign government owned companies.......so much for de nationalisation

 

[Coolcats]

And much of our Railways owned by foreign government owned companies.......so much for de nationalisation

Absolutely and any profits made go to the government of those countries. Privatisation is really not the panacea it is made out to be. There is a case for companies to be nationalised for the national interest, power, water, universal communications etc Many of the organisations served a good social purpose in that more people can be employed which helps local communities. Rather than a cut to the bone zero hour employment imported from the US. So yes I would like to see another type of nationalised program running alongside well run uk owned businesses

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[spitfire]

We have residency for Greece which “they“ have said will be automatically converted to non eu member state residency after 31/12/20. In which case we will be able to spend as much time here as we like and use our 90/180 in other eu countries.

Likewise here . All permanent cards will be automatically converted or not quite automatically as website due 1 October will not be up till mid October!

 

[The Wino]

Absolutely and any profits made go to the government of those countries. Privatisation is really not the panacea it is made out to be. There is a case for companies to be nationalised for the national interest, power, water, universal communications etc Many of the organisations served a good social purpose in that more people can be employed which helps local communities. Rather than a cut to the bone zero hour employment imported from the US. So yes I would like to see another type of nationalised program running alongside well run uk owned businesses

When you say served a good social purpose do you mean keeping people in jobs that weren't really needed?. Who's going to pay the current owners to buy back the utilities.

 

[Googlebot]

They can't stop me I've a carte de séjour.

If only we could all have one.

 

[mitzimad]

Absolutely and any profits made go to the government of those countries. Privatisation is really not the panacea it is made out to be. There is a case for companies to be nationalised for the national interest, power, water, universal communications etc Many of the organisations served a good social purpose in that more people can be employed which helps local communities. Rather than a cut to the bone zero hour employment imported from the US. So yes I would like to see another type of nationalised program running alongside well run uk owned businesses

i think weve tried that method obviously you wasnt trying to earn a living through the three day week and power cuts

 

[mitzimad]

When you say served a good social purpose do you mean keeping people in jobs that weren't really needed?. Who's going to pay the current owners to buy back the utilities.

we could lease them back tonny blair loves a good ppi

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[The Wino]

My friend used to work for Severn Trent. After privatisation he reconned they managed to lose loads of staff with no effect on their services basically they were sitting in unecessary jobs. Like most things the pendulum probably swung too far the other way over time. The biggest problem in utilities I think is lack of long term planning of supply by politicians all they're really interested in is the next election.

 

[Augusta08]

If only we could all have one.

Yes it would help. my point is that it's way too complicated to unravel. I have a German OAP card, German drivers licence, German pension, pay German Tax. I have a French House, pay French Tax, Pay French Taxe d'habitation. When I left University in 1972 the careers officer said "Go to Europe, it's the future". So I went to Holland, took Dutch residency, paid Dutch Tax, banked at ABN, When I left Holland some years later I moved to Munich, Became a German resident, paid German tax, Banked at the Deutcshe Bank had German Children.
I now live in France, and bank with Credit Agricole.

I speak Dutch, German and French. My Passport says I'm a European Citizen from the United Kingdom.

I am a European Citizen, I'm not alone there's literally thousand if not millions of EU Citizens either in London or Paris or Berlin or Rome, who have equally complex multinational links.

The border passport control will be totally unable to police it, you'd need to be a constitutional lawyer to make any sense of it.

The only half way sensible option is for the EU and HMG to agree no restrictions on travel provided you can prove you are unlikely to become a burden upon the state. ie. do you have an income, somewhere to live, and health insurance, and are not a convicted criminal.

 

[gus-lopez]

I have an EU residency certificate granted in Portugal, it is valid for 5 years after which I can apply for one which lasts a further 10 years, is this permanent?

yes after 5 years under eu rules you are permanent & can only be deported for 3 types of violations of national law,then only for a maximum period of ,I believe 3 years? after 10 years you basically can't be deported.

, you'd need to be a constitutional lawyer to make any sense of it.

you can't disagree with that.

 

[Brimal]

Have a butchers at this site, good bed time reading.

Schengen Area and Visa Requirements: Comprehensive Information for Travelers

Discover everything you need to know about the Schengen Area and Schengen Visa requirements. Your ultimate guide for hassle-free travel across Europe.

www.schengenvisainfo.com

All as clear as mud and easy to do then, I dont think.

 

[Carpmart]

My Passport says I'm a European Citizen from the United Kingdom.

I am a European Citizen, I'm not alone there's literally thousand if not millions of EU Citizens either in London or Paris or Berlin or Rome, who have equally complex multinational links.

The border passport control will be totally unable to police it, you'd need to be a constitutional lawyer to make any sense of it.

The only half way sensible option is for the EU and HMG to agree no restrictions on travel provided you can prove you are unlikely to become a burden upon the state. ie. do you have an income, somewhere to live, and health insurance, and are not a convicted criminal.

Couldn't agree more....lets hope sense prevails and that this outcome is achieved...

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[nicholsong]

it’s late. I might have missed summat however I thought that’s what I said.

You were following on from Gus saying 90 days in one EU country then move to another, so I thought you were talking about the same - sorry.

Geoff

 

[Coolcats]

When you say served a good social purpose do you mean keeping people in jobs that weren't really needed?. Who's going to pay the current owners to buy back the utilities.

It serves no one if your paying someone to be idle not the individual or the company. The State can take over a company in the interest of the country if it wishes and pay what it considers fair compensation.

Glad I am at this end of my Career and able to own a MoHo and have great times out and about

 

[nicholsong]

Have a butchers at this site, good bed time reading.

Schengen Area and Visa Requirements: Comprehensive Information for Travelers

Discover everything you need to know about the Schengen Area and Schengen Visa requirements. Your ultimate guide for hassle-free travel across Europe.

www.schengenvisainfo.com

All as clear as mud and easy to do then, I dont think.

Interestingly the link includes

"Am I able to travel within the Schengen Area with the residence permit?
The residence permit allows you to freely travel throughout the whole Schengen Area, without any additional documents needed. The residency permit is stamped in your passport. However, you have to notify the authorities if you intend to make trips in and out of the Schengen space."

There it does not define 'Residence Permit', nor any difference between permits as discussed in several posts above.

I think there is something lacking in that text.

Geoff

 

[wiljoy]

My neighbour has it all sorted, he says.
He's buying some inflatable boats and sending tourists from the UK to France. Reduced fee if 15 or more in one boat.
As he works for immigration he's confident that everyone will get through. Job done.

 

[orridge]

Couldn't agree more....lets hope sense prevails and that this outcome is achieved...

It won't we will not be getting freedom of movement back we could of if we went down the same route as Norway or Switzerland but May ruled that out not wanting an EFTA type arrangement so regardless of "Trade" Negotiations we will be a third-country and abide by those rules.

My New Zealand passport is now more powerful in Europe as agreements from 1951 overrule the 90/180 and can stay in most European countries for 90 days at a time and then move on.

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