2003 Hymer B584 tyre size and wheel size?

[Eddiex]

Can anyone tell me what size wheels would be fitted to a 2003 Hymer B584? I'm guessing that it has 15" wheels?
I'm looking at a potential MH purchase but would like to price up some new tyres as I have a feeling that need to be replaced on age.
Thanks

 

[Guigsy]

Probably 215/70R15?

All four will be between £400 and £650 fitted, depending on whether you want to get brand names or not.

Is there a spare?

 

[Eddiex]

Thanks for the quick reply! I believe there is - I guess that should be checked as well? You are correct on the price
Just done a quick search - Continental Vanco Camper at £124 each.

 

[paddymcc]

You should be able to fit 225/70/15 on the same wheels. That would give you the option of a bigger payload I think, possibly without any other mods (depending on your license). They won't be significantly more expensive.

 

[Guigsy]

You should be able to fit 225/70/15 on the same wheels. That would give you the option of a bigger payload I think, possibly without any other mods (depending on your license). They won't be significantly more expensive.

I did that on my previous van. I went up to 225s with a higher load rating... But my van was less than 3.5t, so I didn't really need it. It did make my mpg a bit worse. But I could run lower pressures, so the ride was nicer.

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[Hettie's Crew]

We fitted 225/70 15 instead of 215/70 and during my search I found them to be cheaper, maybe slightly less popular size?
Your rims need to be 6j, our rear axle went up from 2000kg to 2240kg when combined with air assistance. The biggest benefit is being able to run lower tyre pressures.

 

[Manic]

My 2001 B584 has 215/75x16 tyres, I’ve recently had 4 Hankook Vantra tyres fitted at £106 each.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

When we replaced our tyres, I looked at all the online companies that offer tyres fitted locally. I printed off the ones I wanted and took it to our local independent tyre place, not Kwik fit or the like. I asked them if they could match the price, which they did.

 

[Eddiex]

You should be able to fit 225/70/15 on the same wheels. That would give you the option of a bigger payload I think, possibly without any other mods (depending on your license). They won't be significantly more expensive.

Thanks - I didn't know this. I believe the Hymer B584 is 3.5T so by changing the tyres do you know how much more payload that would possible gain me?

 

[Eddiex]

I did that on my previous van. I went up to 225s with a higher load rating... But my van was less than 3.5t, so I didn't really need it. It did make my mpg a bit worse. But I could run lower pressures, so the ride was nicer.

My potential purchase will be at 3.5t. Can you recall - What load rating did your 225 tyres have and how much worse was your mpg? Also, being new to this (!), what pressures did you run to make the ride better?
Thanks

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[Eddiex]

My 2001 B584 has 215/75x16 tyres, I’ve recently had 4 Hankook Vantra tyres fitted at £106 each.

Maybe my purchase has 16 inch tyres? But until I see it I don't know.

 

[Eddiex]

You should be able to fit 225/70/15 on the same wheels. That would give you the option of a bigger payload I think, possibly without any other mods (depending on your license). They won't be significantly more expensive.

I have just done a quick search and you are right they are a bit cheaper.

Not wanting to start a 'tyre and oil thread' - but any recommendations for a good tyre?

Also, Are these sizes of tyres discussed here on this thread specifically a MH/van tyre?
Thanks

 

[Guigsy]

My potential purchase will be at 3.5t. Can you recall - What load rating did your 225 tyres have and how much worse was your mpg? Also, being new to this (!), what pressures did you run to make the ride better?
Thanks

Your vehicle will probably have recommended tyre pressures, which are probably quite high and may give a poor ride. I purchased Continental tyres because they produce a data handbook, which contains tables that tell you their recommended pressures for any given tyre size and axle weight.

My new van is also 3.5t (although 225/75R16 already). The recommended tyre pressure is 80psi all round. With Camper tyres, it was like running on concrete. With Continental tyres, I can run 53psi. Far quieter and more comfortable.

Other tyre manufacturers sometimes send you recommended pressures if you contact them. But I think only Continental publish their data as a handbook.

Your axle weights will be on a sticker or stamped plate somewhere on the van. Mine were 1850kg front and 2000kg rear with a total limit of 3500kg. From that you can work out the minimum load rating you need. I think I only need about 109, but I've now got 112.

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Would you like to know more about the load capacity index? Don't know what it means to fit tyres with the wrong load capacity? Check out our article.

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[Guigsy]

I have just done a quick search and you are right they are a bit cheaper.

Not wanting to start a 'tyre and oil thread' - but any recommendations for a good tyre?

Also, Are these sizes of tyres discussed here on this thread specifically a MH/van tyre?
Thanks

[correct me if I get this wrong!]
Van tyres will have a 'P' in the designation for commercial vans.
Motorhome tyres will have a 'CP' in the sizing, meaning Camper.

Camper tyres have extra stiff sidewalls. They are designed to not deform if they sit still for long periods of time, like if the van is in storage over winter. However, they tend to be a bit more expensive and the stiff side walls give a worse ride. Many people (myself included) fit normal van tyres. As long as they are rated for the load, it's not a problem.

 

[Clipgate]

It can be a light or heavy chassis, (1400 or 1800 kg axles)
So either 15 inch or 16 inch, the tyre load capacity does not change you max weight. Unless you have a C1 licence or want to obtain one the tyres are a little academic.
I ran on both Michelin and Continental camper tyres, but changed to Hankook some three years ago.
My main reason was cracking on camper tyres, mostly between the SIPS, The unexpected consequence of Hankook was the reduced noise and ride.
Each must make there own choice,I can only give my experience

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[Eddiex]

Guigsy Thanks again for these last 2 replies - really helpful!

So, probably on balance I need to budget for 5 new van, not camper, tyres, potentially at a bigger size (225/75) with correct the rating and look at reducing the pressure a tad.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Guigsy Thanks again for these last 2 replies - really helpful!

So, probably on balance I need to budget for 5 new van, not camper, tyres, potentially at a bigger size (225/75) with correct the rating and look at reducing the pressure a tad.

225/70 15, 225/75 would be 16”

 

[Eddiex]

225/70 15, 225/75 would be 16”

Thanks - my mistake!

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Not wanting to start a 'tyre and oil thread' - but any recommendations for a good tyre?

https://blobs.continental-tires.com/www8/servlet/blob/2227928/c555b253939be0c9946999d02db4624d/vancontact-4season-pfb-data.pdf

 

[tonyidle]

Take a look at Bridgestones. I've just installed 6 at a good price.

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[Manic]

The Hankook tyres I fitted are just van tyres and I went from 113 to 116 load rating.
With these tyres the ride is better.

 

[paddymcc]

Thanks - I didn't know this. I believe the Hymer B584 is 3.5T so by changing the tyres do you know how much more payload that would possible gain me?

I'm not knowledgeable about the fiat chassis which the 584 is on but probably up to 3.8 ( but may need air suspension on the rear). Do you have a photo of the Hymer plate? Minxy Girl is the expert on the fiat chassis.

 

[Eddiex]

I'm not knowledgeable about the fiat chassis which the 584 is on but probably up to 3.8 ( but may need air suspension on the rear). Do you have a photo of the Hymer plate? Minxy Girl is the expert on the fiat chassis.

Thanks - I haven't yet had eyes on plate but once I do I'll come back to this thread. If the chassis is capable of being 'uplated' to 3.8 that would be useful and on that basis and the other benefits mentioned already it would make sense for me to get the slightly bigger tyres and maybe look into the air suspension as and when funds allow.

 

[Minxy]

I'm not knowledgeable about the fiat chassis which the 584 is on but probably up to 3.8 ( but may need air suspension on the rear). Do you have a photo of the Hymer plate? Minxy Girl is the expert on the fiat chassis.

Thanks for the compliment but I'm not an expert, I just do a lot of research etc on stuff so I tend to know what I'm talking about otherwise you lot will take the pee out of me!

 

[Minxy]

Maybe my purchase has 16 inch tyres? But until I see it I don't know.

Do you have a link to the MH you're buying? If so we could have a shuftie and may be able to give more specific info. If you can get a photo of the vin plate, if not then the registration number as this might give you an inkling into what you're looking at.

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[Manic]

If it’s on 16” wheels it can most probably be updated from 3500 without any mods.
But maybe your over thinking things before you have even got the van, tyres could be good and not need changing, it may already have air assist and if not you may not need it straight away, I had my van 6 years before I decided to fit air assist and that was because the spring seemed very flat.

 

[Minxy]

Do you have a link to the MH you're buying? If so we could have a shuftie and may be able to give more specific info. If you can get a photo of the vin plate, if not then the registration number as this might give you an inkling into what you're looking at.

Is this it?

Hymer B584

Hymer B584 2003, 3 berth motorhome for sale. Manual gearbox and Left-hand Drive with 26,217 miles. Find out more.

www.motorhomedepot.com

 

[Eddiex]

Is this it?

Hymer B584

Hymer B584 2003, 3 berth motorhome for sale. Manual gearbox and Left-hand Drive with 26,217 miles. Find out more.

www.motorhomedepot.com

No it's not. Thanks for read my posts! I have just found out that my potential purchase has 15 inch wheels. I won't be able to see that VIN plate until tomorrow but I do know from speaking to the seller that a couple of the tyres are 'age cracked' so I am budgeting to replace them should I buy the van.

I would probably consider changing them all. With this in mind is it an expensive option, and indeed its it a good idea, to try and source bigger 16 inch wheels which would give me the option once the wheels have new tyres fitted, of uplating the MH via a paper application?

 

[Hettie's Crew]

If it’s on 15” wheels it’s likely to be also on a light chassis, in which case changing to 16” wheels, if that’s possible, won’t give you any benefit because you may be restricted to 3850kg which is easily achievable on the 15” with 225/70 tyres.
I think, though not certain that 15” and 16” wheels of that era had different centres.

 

[Eddiex]

If it’s on 15” wheels it’s likely to be also on a light chassis, in which case changing to 16” wheels, if that’s possible, won’t give you any benefit because you may be restricted to 3850kg which is easily achievable on the 15” with 225/70 tyres.
I think, though not certain that 15” and 16” wheels of that era had different centres.

OK, thanks - No faffing around buying new wheels which is one less thing to worry about! Subject to weighing I believe 3850kg will be sufficient for us. Do you know what am I looking for on the van at to identify the MH as having a 'light' chassis?

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