‘It was like a bomb had hit an off-licence’: rise in wild camping hits beauty spots

[Caggsie1]

We got behind the scenes a couple of years ago at the rewind festival. There were a group of cleaners who would go around the main areas and clear up by the morning, as if no one had been there. Necessary with the amount of people in these festivals.

 

[Stewart J]

Rural Northumberland and Cumbria has also been blighted by these morons

Rural waterfall closes after littering

A POPULAR rural beauty spot has closed after an increase in visitors caused widespread littering and road blocking.

www.hexham-courant.co.uk

 

[TheBig1]

The other group that seriously annoy the hell out of me are rich, over entitled mountain climbers. They pay tens of thousands of pounds each to climb Mt Everest. Then they leave all their rubbish, human waste and often corpses of failed climbers to litter one of the earths natural treasures for eternity and go home

There have been a few organised expeditions that have tried to clear some rubbish away. There are old empty oxygen cylinders abandoned up there since the 1960s and loads of frozen corpses that are frozen into the ice at various heights up the mountain. I personally don't see what they gain from trying to conquer the mountain and showing it no respect by despoiling it

 

[Coolcats]

The other group that seriously annoy the hell out of me are rich, over entitled mountain climbers. They pay tens of thousands of pounds each to climb Mt Everest. Then they leave all their rubbish, human waste and often corpses of failed climbers to litter one of the earths natural treasures for eternity and go home

There have been a few organised expeditions that have tried to clear some rubbish away. There are old empty oxygen cylinders abandoned up there since the 1960s and loads of frozen corpses that are frozen into the ice at various heights up the mountain. I personally don't see what they gain from trying to conquer the mountain and showing it no respect by despoiling it

Many are not mountain climbers just rich individuals with an ego. Edited to say that may sound harsh but with commercial companies promising to get people to the top it’s mainly money and ‘dream’ driven.

 

[The Wino]

The Outdoor Education area is one that could really push to try and educate our youngsters in the future about this totally unacceptable behaviour. But this is one area that has been forgotten in this current Covid situation. They are closed down and have not been allowed to open. They have been told that it will be at least next January before they can open, however, most if not all will not survive until then and there will be no future residential outdoor education for our youngsters. Their staff are furloughed at the moment but as almost all are either charitable organisations or not for profit type, they do not have the resilience to survive and their often highly qualified staff will be forced to try and find other occupations.
Yes you may say that some of the current irresponsible people may have already had those experiences, and that is true but I would like to hope that there might be an opportunity to directly link by examples. Our current primary school children are unlikely to know what irresponsible behaviour goes on at festivals but may well have seen the rubbish left around at the moment. What better place to educate in the future than on an Outdoor Ed trip IF they survive.......Well OK one can hope.......

Covid has only been around for a few months how can that have caused a lot of littering. Maybe the outdoor education was so poor it won't be missed.

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[PeteH]

It all goes back way beyond the Chinese Virus, and It`s 2 or more Predecessors. It`s to do with the basic lack of "respect", for ones-self, and the effect on others. Teaching discipline, and respect for others (NOTE:- NOT by the use of Cruelty) to children from a very young age, is no longer seen as a duty by parents. Without discipline, there is no self discipline nor any self control. The Jesuits, used to have a mantra, which I understand was followed by others including Stalin and the Nazis too, and indeed the Chinese currently, "give me the child to 7, and I will give you the man". The time to instil awareness of these matters and their importance is to pre school children, those who have tried to change the "behaviour" of stroppy teens will know how impossible that is. Modern society has devolved the bringing up of children to surrogates, who 99% of the time have no vested interest in ensuring that basic societal etiquette and respect for others and their property is imbued in the child. It`s not picking UP litter that is a needed skill, it would be not discarding it in the first place. Society provides disposal facilities. yet on any High St you see bins, with the detritus scattered about them. Those who preach about the damage to the planet then leave behind hundreds of tons of detritus for others to remove. It`s a society of Hypocrites, not helped IMV by a Media, who`s own mantra is "never mind the truth as long as the story sells". And who`s own hypocrisy is evident on a daily basis.

 

[Coolcats]

It all goes back way beyond the Chinese Virus, and It`s 2 or more Predecessors. It`s to do with the basic lack of "respect", for ones-self, and the effect on others. Teaching discipline, and respect for others (NOTE:- NOT by the use of Cruelty) to children from a very young age, is no longer seen as a duty by parents. Without discipline, there is no self discipline nor any self control. The Jesuits, used to have a mantra, which I understand was followed by others including Stalin and the Nazis too, and indeed the Chinese currently, "give me the child to 7, and I will give you the man". The time to instil awareness of these matters and their importance is to pre school children, those who have tried to change the "behaviour" of stroppy teens will know how impossible that is. Modern society has devolved the bringing up of children to surrogates, who 99% of the time have no vested interest in ensuring that basic societal etiquette and respect for others and their property is imbued in the child. It`s not picking UP litter that is a needed skill, it would be not discarding it in the first place. Society provides disposal facilities. yet on any High St you see bins, with the detritus scattered about them. Those who preach about the damage to the planet then leave behind hundreds of tons of detritus for others to remove. It`s a society of Hypocrites, not helped IMV by a Media, who`s own mantra is "never mind the truth as long as the story sells". And who`s own hypocrisy is evident on a daily basis.

Not sure I wholly agree in that most do not drop litter. Those who care for the planet do not just discard rubbish it is the minority who do this. Parental upbringing clearly has an impact but some parents are the ones out wild camping in inappropriate places so you cannot really blame the child when the parent (Of whatever age) is being Childish and selfish themselves.
During lockdown Macdonalds were closed as soon as they opened macdonalds litter were starting to appear many bins were overflowing in the local park with discarded MacDonalds waste. It was not just youngsters eating this, while families could be seen walking and eating this stuff and the rubbish....as I say some Meade the bins some bins were overflowing with rubbish on the floor around them and other packaging discarded along footpaths. Thank goodness this is only done by a minority.

 

[Potty]

Sorry . I'm sure the photo is staged , for media propaganda , no guy ropes on tents , & nobody leaves good tents & seats etc , other than at festivals , if they brought them with them in a car / van I'm sure they would have them back ,
The rubbish I could believe could have been left .

Yes, in a way the photo was staged by the Kielder Forest. It showed the rubbish they had collected. I read the original report. It went on to say that the camper van area in contrast had been left clean and tidy.

YI
This is mostly about bad behaviour by some tent campers.
But I've green-highlighted a bit of positive for campervan

Spoiler: Kielder Water & Forest Park
Welcome back to our caring campers.
It is great to see so many visitors coming to camp at Kielder, welcome back!

Sadly due to continued illegal camping taking place (thankfully this is reducing slightly) and items being left behind for our staff to gather up, damage to habits etc we are unable for the remainder of 2020 to allow any form of wild camping.

This includes the limited locations with permission where backpackers have enjoyed a night under stars in remote locations. In the last fortnight we again have had to deal with illegal camps as in the photo below of a major camp left with much mess- details of specific information is now with Northumbria Police and being followed up.

We do want people to enjoy camping at Kielder and we are delighted that Kielder Campsite is open again so this can happen in a controlled way.

Booking is online only and identification will be required to ensure caring campers only camp at Kielder. Kielder Campsite is a fantastic location but not as remote as wild camping. https://kieldercampsite.co.uk/

Camper vans and adapted camping vehicles are permitted overnight at Kielder Castle Car Park, Tower Knowe Car Park and also Elf Kirk Viewing Point fee for this is £10.00 per night.

We would like to thank everyone in camper vans who have left no trace of the overnight- thank you, we really appreciate this!

Remember you can camp at Kielder, at Kielder Campsite only during 2020.

 

[The Old Man]

Any wild campers reading this thread will be traumatised and need therapy.

No, because I know that I'm not like that.

It is possible to be a Freedom Camper, respect the environment and leave places as you found them. And if it wasn't clean and tidy when you arrive, tidy it up anyway before you leave.

 

[PeteH]

No, because I know that I'm not like that.

It is possible to be a Freedom Camper, respect the environment and leave places as you found them. And if it wasn't clean and tidy when you arrive, tidy it up anyway before you leave.

Which to some extent takes me full circle to how we where "educated" in Scouting in the 1950`s. Our campsites where always as good if not better than when we arrived.

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[TheBig1]

It all goes back way beyond the Chinese Virus, and It`s 2 or more Predecessors. It`s to do with the basic lack of "respect", for ones-self, and the effect on others. Teaching discipline, and respect for others (NOTE:- NOT by the use of Cruelty) to children from a very young age, is no longer seen as a duty by parents. Without discipline, there is no self discipline nor any self control. The Jesuits, used to have a mantra, which I understand was followed by others including Stalin and the Nazis too, and indeed the Chinese currently, "give me the child to 7, and I will give you the man". The time to instil awareness of these matters and their importance is to pre school children, those who have tried to change the "behaviour" of stroppy teens will know how impossible that is. Modern society has devolved the bringing up of children to surrogates, who 99% of the time have no vested interest in ensuring that basic societal etiquette and respect for others and their property is imbued in the child. It`s not picking UP litter that is a needed skill, it would be not discarding it in the first place. Society provides disposal facilities. yet on any High St you see bins, with the detritus scattered about them. Those who preach about the damage to the planet then leave behind hundreds of tons of detritus for others to remove. It`s a society of Hypocrites, not helped IMV by a Media, who`s own mantra is "never mind the truth as long as the story sells". And who`s own hypocrisy is evident on a daily basis.

I agree, when our daughter was young, we instilled in her a love and respect for the natural environment. When out on a walk she would often collect litter and put it in the next available bin. We are very proud of her
Her own children have been taught the same by my daughter, but their dad is lazy and just drops stuff on the floor. He was brought up in London and says this is normal behaviour

When I am babysitting I don't tolerate them dropping sweet wrappers etc on the floor, despite their response that "daddy says it's ok". I point out if their mum was with us, they wouldn't dare, and they agree so quickly pick up any mess. It goes to show, different parents have different attitudes and the kids choose which they want to follow

 

[125BEER]

Any wild campers reading this thread will be traumatised and need therapy.

Yeah and these are the same people asking for history to be re-written,the future looks trashed

 

[The Old Man]

Which to some extent takes me full circle to how we where "educated" in Scouting in the 1950`s. Our campsites where always as good if not better than when we arrived.

Sadly I'm afraid that the horse has bolted.

 

[EuroTrotters]

No respect, just like this lot on a private industrial estate and taming over surrounding streets and roads

Traffic chaos and M60 tailbacks as huge car meet-up brings hundreds to Tameside

'They've come from all over the UK - it sounds like bonfire night with the cars popping'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[frogijock]

Maybe all those councillors who condemn motor homers will take heed of all this and place the blame on those who deserve it 🗑

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[kevenh]

Have I led a sheltered life?
Where did this COVID-19 period littering come from?
The Leeds Championship celebrations turned in a rubbish fest + violence to police - BBC Story
I thought the adults waiting for their school kids was the peak of our local littering spike