mass in service ?

[rob1234]

hi ,,is mass in service the same as mass in running order ,,? in the log book i cant find mass in running order to workout payload ,,

 

[B+W vanman]

hi ,,is mass in service the same as mass in running order ,,? in the log book i cant find mass in running order to workout payload ,,

I think the only way (weigh! ) to determine payload is to get the thing onto a weigh-bridge

 

[Vaman]

I agree, manufacturers often will give a generic value, for example without all the bells and whistles of solar etc.
As B+W said load it up with fuel and all your clobber and take it to a weighbridge, get weights for both axles if possible. You may then be able to contact the tyre manufacturer and get correct tyre pressures for that loading. They will likely be significantly different to the label on door frame or wherever. It is worth the agro just for peace of mind, transport authorities do not accept ignorance as a plea for leniency.

 

[Pausim]

hi ,,is mass in service the same as mass in running order ,,? in the log book i cant find mass in running order to workout payload ,,

On my V5C the mass in service figure matches the manufacturer’s mass in running order figure. However this does not help with calculating the payload because it does not include the factory fitted extras, the dealer fitted ones or the 5% the manufacturer is allowed on weight figures. It is purely a theoretical figure, the only thing it might help with is proving the kerb weight of the vehicle is below the 3050kg used for speed limit purposes and even that is debateable.

 

[tonka]

Mass in running order is a waste of time as well.
There is no set standard, one company will quote with 20lts water and no gas bottles. Others will quote full water etc..
They seem to choose what they want to include or exclude.

I bought a 2012 Autotrail and the mass in running order INCLUDED a full water tank, same model a few years later stated that figure with no water...

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[scotzsue]

I think the only way (weigh! ) to determine payload is to get the thing onto a weigh-bridge

Ditto from me.

 

[rob1234]

How to work out payload on motorhome?


Calculating this weight carrying capacity, or payload, is as simple as subtracting one figure from another – the Mass in Running Order (MRO) from the Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass (MTPLM). Both figures can be found in the handbook or on a data sticker attached to the side of the motorhome.
im just going by what is on the internet ,,was just looking for a rough idea ,,if i deduct one from another i get 907kgs i get to weigh bridge when i can find one ,,thanks

 

[scotjimland]

ha ha .. though this was another pope thread ..

 

[Pausim]

How to work out payload on motorhome?

Calculating this weight carrying capacity, or payload, is as simple as subtracting one figure from another – the Mass in Running Order (MRO) from the Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass (MTPLM). Both figures can be found in the handbook or on a data sticker attached to the side of the motorhome.
im just going by what is on the internet ,,was just looking for a rough idea ,,if i deduct one from another i get 907kgs i get to weigh bridge when i can find one ,,thanks

It may seem a simple calculation but the real Mass in Running Order figure (MIRO) is unlikely to be what is published in the handbook. You can not rely on the handbook figures, they are simply a theoretical starting point. If you have a registered weight of 3500kg and a MIRO of 3000kg you would be wrong to assume you have 500kg payload (3500-3000).

Firstly the manufacturer is allowed a 5% tolerance on their figures, so if the given MIRO is 3000kg you could well have 150kg less payload than you think from the outset. Several manufacturers make full use of the 5% tolerance without breaking any rules. Then factory fitted extras have to be deducted too. On my last purchase the basic extras amounted to another 130kg so there goes another big lump of payload. Instead of the original 500kg payload we now have only 220kg.

If you are weighed at the roadside they don’t know or care about the MIRO, they simply weigh the van and if it over the registered revenue weight you could be in trouble. They will also check the individual axle weights.

As said from #2 you really need to go to a weigh bridge and calculate the payload from that figure. Forget the published MIRO.

 

[rob1234]

It may seem a simple calculation but the real Mass in Running Order figure (MIRO) is unlikely to be what is published in the handbook. You can not rely on the handbook figures, they are simply a theoretical starting point. If you have a registered weight of 3500kg and a MIRO of 3000kg you would be wrong to assume you have 500kg payload (3500-3000).

Firstly the manufacturer is allowed a 5% tolerance on their figures, so if the given MIRO is 3000kg you could well have 150kg less payload than you think from the outset. Several manufacturers make full use of the 5% tolerance without breaking any rules. Then factory fitted extras have to be deducted too. On my last purchase the basic extras amounted to another 130kg so there goes another big lump of payload. Instead of the original 500kg payload we now have only 220kg.

If you are weighed at the roadside they don’t know or care about the MIRO, they simply weigh the van and if it over the registered revenue weight you could be in trouble. They will also check the individual axle weights.

As said from #2 you really need to go to a weigh bridge and calculate the payload from that figure. Forget the published MIRO.

hi thanks i will try to find a weigh bridge ,,but surely if it says by the calculations 907kg ,,it must be round that figure give or take a 100kgs ,but i wait till i get a weigh bridge,,,do council waste centres let you use theres ,,?

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[Pausim]

Who lets the public use their weigh bridge varies from area to area. I have used ones owned by Councils, scrap yards and seed merchants. Some quarries also allow it too. Probably best to google it for your area.

 

[Jo-jo]

Did the convertor give you a weight when you bought it? Ours was weighed and the figure is quoted on our paperwork.

You might find a local weighbridge here:

Find a weighbridge

Find your nearest weighbridge if you need to weigh your van, lorry, trailer, tractor or other vehicle

www.gov.uk

 

[Jon Stewart]

....but surely if it says by the calculations 907kg ,,it must be round that figure give or take a 100kgs...

Reread #9 again.

The figures are for the van that was tested for conformity, not your actual instance of that van.

I believe that for the van tested, things like cassette blinds and flyscreens were removed by some manufacturers etc. You know, stuff you would actually consider normally part of any motorhome.

Are you aware that Hymer are being prosecuted for fraudulant selling around this matter in Germany?

Go to any manufacturers (certainly the German ones) and you will get a hugely long modal window basically telling you that the figures they have on their website are unlikely to be the figures for the van you buy.

You have to have 'read' it before accessing the site.

 

[Detnor]

If you struggle to find a weighbridge, try your local trading standards, they are responsible for checking all registered installations.

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

hi thanks i will try to find a weigh bridge ,,but surely if it says by the calculations 907kg ,,it must be round that figure give or take a 100kgs ,but i wait till i get a weigh bridge,,,do council waste centres let you use theres ,,?

Nope. It could be out by 200kg or more. You also have to consider the individual axle weights. Google “public weighbridge near me”, then phone them up. Alternatively try local quarries, agricultural merchants, scrap metal dealers, Council Roads depots (where are the gritters based?), commercial docks, landfill sites. I went to a local dock and it cost me 2 boxes of biscuits