Toilet paper, bin or flush ?

[funflair]

I keep reading that toilet paper takes up room in a cassette so should be binned or bagged, but then I wonder "how can it take up more room than its actual volume" I can understand that it might swell up when wet and increase it's volume but it can only swell by taking the water from the cassette so the net affect would still just be the original volume of paper, is there something wrong with my thought process?

Oh and we have a black tank so I know where ours is going

 

[Mr porky]

Nothing on telly this morning

 

[carolyn]

Last year when we were travelling in Turkey (plus Greece I think) we were asked to bin our loo paper which we did. My man who deals with these matters didn’t notice having to empty the cassette less often. I did ask if it made it easier and he said it made no difference to clogging.

 

[Mr porky]

When we had a cassette system we did stretch out our off grid time by peeing into bottles, however bagging the toilet paper is a step too far, in my opinion. However each to there own.

 

[bigtwin]

is there something wrong with my thought process?

I don’t think so.

Perhaps the number of sheets per usage is disproportionately high for those who have this concern.

Ian

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[funflair]

Last year when we were travelling in Turkey (plus Greece I think) we were asked to bin our loo paper which we did. My man who deals with these matters didn’t notice having to empty the cassette less often. I did ask if it made it easier and he said it made no difference to clogging.

Thanks, that fits with my "how can it make any difference" theory but I keep reading advice on here that opposes that theory, I am sure we will have some toilet experts along soon to enlighten us.

 

[Landy Andy]

I think people use a lot more water to get the paper to flush. So it is the extra required water, that takes the room up, not the paper it’s self.
I won’t start driving around poo covered paper.

 

[TCG]

The day i have to pee into bottles or poo into bags or even put the paper into a bin is the day i give up.... My wife will not holiday in Greece for this very reason, and i am sure Greek hotel plumbing can now cope with loo paper

 

[EuroTrotters]

off topic slightly.

My Family and their in-laws stayed in a big villa in Portugal a couple of years back.

The villa owners insisted they dont flush anything other than human waste down the toilets, due to the septic tank.

The owners provided bins and came to empty them all every day, very intrusive if you ask me.

Here in Spain, I couldn't tell the guests to do that. So we just get the tank emptied every 4-5 years.

 

[DavidG58]

but I keep reading advice on here

I think although we read it a lot, it’s a one man campaign in the main , amazed Lenny HB hasn’t found this thread yet

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[carolyn]

The day i have to pee into bottles or poo into bags or even put the paper into a bin is the day i give up.... My wife will not holiday in Greece for this very reason, and i am sure Greek hotel plumbing can now cope with loo paper

It’s not the pipes in the hotel it’s the pipes they connect to ie the mains ones .

 

[jerryz]

In Thailand all toilets have a separate bin for dirty loo roll etc and my wife does same in The van ,,, she hangs a plastic bag next to the loo ,, but when at UK house she flushes it down the bog like a good Brit .

 

[Trevor Wbm]

We've stayed at a few sites rural in Spain and Portugal where the paper had to go in a bin in the site loos. I assumed it was about not blocking macerator or circulation pumps in the waste systems. Same sites had no issue with paper in the cassettes. Never heard mention of not putting it in cassettes - the water used for flushing it is probably a valid point, but we usually empty ours every other day whilst the fresh water tank is filling, before it's properly full.

 

[scotzsue]

Well I bag my non poo paper, find cassette easier to empty and seems to last a bit longer. Am the emptier so for me it is a win win situation.

 

[Ditcha]

We just use flannels wash them once a day when doing the dishes hang out to dry then repeat the next day saving a "load" of space.

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[Morning Major]

That is very fastidious of you , we only wash ours once a week!

 

[PP Bear]

Bin the pee, pan the poo

 

[peterc10]

I am not sure what paper other people are using to wipe their backsides. Izal (for a good smear round) or torn up copies of the Sun (or Guardian for those left leaning)? We use the same proper toilet paper that we use at home and when I come to empty the cassette it has nearly all dissolved.

As for peeing by the side of the road, that is what lorry drivers have to do and it is why all our laybys stink of pee, which makes us reluctant to stop in them even for just a cuppa.

 

[pappajohn]

however bagging the toilet paper is a step too far, in my opinion.

Don't venture onto the Greek islands then.
Every toilet has a bin as their sewage system can't cope with paper, and strangely, it doesn't smell no matter how warm the weather.

 

[The Coops]

Does anyone have anosmia? I would imagine it can get a bit ripe if one has the trots and no flushing paper allowed!

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[Cal54]

I bag all loo paper in a dog poo bag and it goes to the dog waste bin the same day when walking my mutt. Suits me and I do find the cassette is easier/quicker to empty.

 

[gus-lopez]

should be binned or bagged,

If you live in spain it is the norm. Not just toilet paper either, any type of sanitary item.

My wife will not holiday in Greece for this very reason,

Don't come here either then as it is normal for any paper/sanitary item to go in a bag/bin

and i am sure Greek hotel plumbing can now cope with loo paper

the hotel might but the septic system/mains cannot.

Here in Spain, I couldn't tell the guests to do that.

I did /do
here;

The owners provided bins and came to empty them all every day,

As above the guests do it.Otherwise they were out.

The villa owners insisted they dont flush anything other than human waste down the toilets, due to the septic tank.

These days you can get proper biodegradable paper that breaks up in a short while.We have friends & relations in the Uk who all have 3 tanks that tuen it in to clear water by the time it exits but even with them nothing can be put down them except the proper disolvable toilet paper. No sanitary items, no wet wipes.

I assumed it was about not blocking macerator or circulation pumps in the waste systems

There aren't any of those .Just breaks down using bacteria

Same sites had no issue with paper in the cassettes.

No, they have issues, They do not want it but are stuck with people emptying them; unlike the onsite facilities that have bins/bags

 

[TCG]

If you live in spain it is the norm. Not just toilet paper either, any type of sanitary item.

Don't come here either then as it is normal for any paper/sanitary item to go in a bag/bin

the hotel might but the septic system/mains cannot.

I did /do
here;
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As above the guests do it.Otherwise they were out.

These days you can get proper biodegradable paper that breaks up in a short while.We have friends & relations in the Uk who all have 3 tanks that tuen it in to clear water by the time it exits but even with them nothing can be put down them except the proper disolvable toilet paper. No sanitary items, no wet wipes.

There aren't any of those .Just breaks down using bacteria


No, they have issues, They do not want it but are stuck with people emptying them; unlike the onsite facilities that have bins/bags

Really - we owned a villa in Murcia Spain and everything went down the pan

 

[InvictaMoto]

Worked for these guys - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylospongium

 

[125BEER]

When we return from Greece I will be fitting a composting toilet. Shit job I know but needs must.....

Yamas

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[gus-lopez]

Really - we owned a villa in Murcia Spain and everything went down the pan

& it just ruins the pozo.In towns it just blocks the pipework.

 

[EuroTrotters]

If you live in spain it is the norm. Not just toilet paper either, any type of sanitary item.

Don't come here either then as it is normal for any paper/sanitary item to go in a bag/bin

the hotel might but the septic system/mains cannot.

I did /do
here;
View attachment 980084

As above the guests do it.Otherwise they were out.

These days you can get proper biodegradable paper that breaks up in a short while.We have friends & relations in the Uk who all have 3 tanks that tuen it in to clear water by the time it exits but even with them nothing can be put down them except the proper disolvable toilet paper. No sanitary items, no wet wipes.

There aren't any of those .Just breaks down using bacteria


No, they have issues, They do not want it but are stuck with people emptying them; unlike the onsite facilities that have bins/bags

Bloody wet wipes that state “flushable” none of them are

 

[chaser]

& it just ruins the pozo.In towns it just blocks the pipework.

I must say ,all the hotels we have been in, I have never seen a sign like that, and it all goes down the pan.

 

[grasscutter]

I think a lot relates to your style of motorhoming.
If you mainly off grid you need the easiest way to dispose of black waste.
Bagging paper just leaves a slurry in your tank. No chance of blocking pipes etc .
Let’s be honest how often do people spot where a cassette has been wrongly dumped by the tell tale paper trail.
If this was just a slurry it would hopefully have been absorbed without trace.
I’m not condoning the practice.
If disposing of in public toilets it disappears much easier.

 

[gus-lopez]

I must say ,all the hotels we have been in, I have never seen a sign like that, and it all goes down the pan.

Where it may well be going to a sewage farm locally .underground holding tanks that then get pumped out on a regular basis.
The commercial centre up the road to me it all goes down the pan. They have holding tanks 3 floors down at the lowest level which captures it all.
It is taken away weekly by sludge gulpers.All rainfall is also contained for the whole commercial centre & surrounding housing areas,that have never been built fortunately, & in periods of heavy rainfall is pumped out of two 12" pipes in to the acequia that runs to the lowest area & past the front of my house.

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