Parking in Laybys on main roads.

[Silver-Fox]

Hitting anything from the rear, will be regarded, certainly by insurers, as YOUR fault. Lighted or not!.

Not always the case.

A mate some years ago hit a car in the rear in his car.
The one he hit was parked on a main A road just around a corner unsighted.
The parked car owner was deemed at fault by both insurer and the police.

Also you can be deemed at fault if you break heavily for no reason causing the following car to run into the back of you.
I guess this is to counter the dodgy insurance claims by those scam people.

 

[filopastry]

If fishing is easy as this ...... I will be a fisherman.

 

[mitzimad]

I couldn't help but have a nose at when I might get a bus pass it would appear not for another good few years as I'm 58.

But I noticed if I lived in London at the age of 60 I could travel free on the underground, buses etc.
If I lived in Wales, Scotland or N I a bus pass would be available.
My question is why am I being discriminated by these rules, I pay my NI and taxes which I presume supports the other free travel on public transport.
I have to say I'm feeling a bit p****d off at the mo

In london it's funded from household rates or whatever it's called this year not central goverment

 

[Reevsie]

I repeat, any driver that speeds should be prosecuted, fined and points added.
I doubt you will, especially as you appear to be holier than me, but an apology should be forthcoming because you assume I drive to your low standards

I agree with your points regarding speeding and points. But the driving conditions should also be taken into account when points and fines are given. For instance a driver going 80mph on a motorway on a clear dry day with good visability, or a driver on the same stretch of motorway doing 60mph in heavy rain / Thick fog where visibility is 25 meters. One is driving over the speed limit and one is driving within the speed limit. It is not just the speeding that kills, it is the condition that the speed you are doing is relevant for the conditions you are in.

 

[EX51SSS]

I agree with your points regarding speeding and points. But the driving conditions should also be taken into account when points and fines are given. For instance a driver going 80mph on a motorway on a clear dry day with good visability, or a driver on the same stretch of motorway doing 60mph in heavy rain / Thick fog where visibility is 25 meters. One is driving over the speed limit and one is driving within the speed limit. It is not just the speeding that kills, it is the condition that the speed you are doing is relevant for the conditions you are in.

Very true and I can't disagree but nobody should be driving like that anyway. 80 is against the law and conditions prevail always.

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[Silver-Fox]

In london it's funded from household rates or whatever it's called this year not central goverment

Is that not how the rest of the UK is funded?
I just presumed it was all local funded or County, I have to admit I don't know.

 

[Ivory55]

I couldn't help but have a nose at when I might get a bus pass it would appear not for another good few years as I'm 58.

But I noticed if I lived in London at the age of 60 I could travel free on the underground, buses etc.
If I lived in Wales, Scotland or N I a bus pass would be available.
My question is why am I being discriminated by these rules, I pay my NI and taxes which I presume supports the other free travel on public transport.
I have to say I'm feeling a bit p****d off at the mo

But would you want to live in London ? Haha

 

[Silver-Fox]

But would you want to live in London ? Haha

Fair comment

 

[PeteH]

There is a mistaken theorem floating about that "speed kills". Bad drivers can kill. speed itself does not kill, lack of the skill to manage speed can kill. IF "speed" killed why is it that the ratio of deaths amongst Sporting drivers is less than that of the general public?. It`s like the (IMV) equal mistaken idea that "Guns Kill", NO, Stupid often Angry, people with no weapon handling skills do most of the killing, and that includes even members of our armed forces and Police, the malicious use by People Kills indiscriminately, watch footage of insurgents waving the AK47 in all directions?. The same applies to vehicles, those who do not manage their own skill set accurately will make errors of judgement, and ultimately can kill, regardless of the speed at which the vehicle is travelling, 1 Tonne of car has killed (recently) at less than 1MPH. Not too many years ago a truck rolled back and killed, it moved less than 2 feet, It transpired that the air brake system had been badly maintained, i.e. Human error. I know it is not a popular view, but I think that there are good enough reasons to raise limits on some roads, The A15, for example, moves better, and there is less dangerous overtaking, since HGV`s where allowed to legally do 50mph. The UK`s limits where set in the days when the technological baseline was the Morris Minor.

 

[olley]

Mate of mine driving down the A140 years ago late at night in his little van, ran into the back of a well lit tractor, while the actually collision didn't do him a great deal of damage, his toolbox caught his shoulder on its way out through the windscreen, broke his collarbone I think.

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[tonyandcarol]

Well I have parked in loads of laybys but the best road side park ever for me was in Westminster outside the American embassy in the days before green zones. I would get in to mayfair about 8.00 pm on a Saturday night and park on Grosvenor Square till late sunday night, 5 mins from oxford street totally legal and safe.

 

[busby]

There is a mistaken theorem floating about that "speed kills". Bad drivers can kill. speed itself does not kill, lack of the skill to manage speed can kill. IF "speed" killed why is it that the ratio of deaths amongst Sporting drivers is less than that of the general public?. It`s like the (IMV) equal mistaken idea that "Guns Kill", NO, Stupid often Angry, people with no weapon handling skills do most of the killing, and that includes even members of our armed forces and Police, the malicious use by People Kills indiscriminately, watch footage of insurgents waving the AK47 in all directions?. The same applies to vehicles, those who do not manage their own skill set accurately will make errors of judgement, and ultimately can kill, regardless of the speed at which the vehicle is travelling, 1 Tonne of car has killed (recently) at less than 1MPH. Not too many years ago a truck rolled back and killed, it moved less than 2 feet, It transpired that the air brake system had been badly maintained, i.e. Human error. I know it is not a popular view, but I think that there are good enough reasons to raise limits on some roads, The A15, for example, moves better, and there is less dangerous overtaking, since HGV`s where allowed to legally do 50mph. The UK`s limits where set in the days when the technological baseline was the Morris Minor.

Sporting drivers mostly do not experience vehicles coming in the opposite direction and are competing against other skilled drivers,,unlike your daily commute when you do wonder how 25% of the other drivers on the road ever passed a test and you wonder who the heck taught them,,,BUSBY,,

 

[busby]

There is a mistaken theorem floating about that "speed kills". Bad drivers can kill. speed itself does not kill, lack of the skill to manage speed can kill. IF "speed" killed why is it that the ratio of deaths amongst Sporting drivers is less than that of the general public?. It`s like the (IMV) equal mistaken idea that "Guns Kill", NO, Stupid often Angry, people with no weapon handling skills do most of the killing, and that includes even members of our armed forces and Police, the malicious use by People Kills indiscriminately, watch footage of insurgents waving the AK47 in all directions?. The same applies to vehicles, those who do not manage their own skill set accurately will make errors of judgement, and ultimately can kill, regardless of the speed at which the vehicle is travelling, 1 Tonne of car has killed (recently) at less than 1MPH. Not too many years ago a truck rolled back and killed, it moved less than 2 feet, It transpired that the air brake system had been badly maintained, i.e. Human error. I know it is not a popular view, but I think that there are good enough reasons to raise limits on some roads, The A15, for example, moves better, and there is less dangerous overtaking, since HGV`s where allowed to legally do 50mph. The UK`s limits where set in the days when the technological baseline was the Morris Minor.

The A15 is looked at as a dangerous road but how can a road be dangerous,,,it doesn't move...BUSBY,,

 

[PeteH]

Sporting drivers mostly do not experience vehicles coming in the opposite direction and are competing against other skilled drivers,,unlike your daily commute when you do wonder how 25% of the other drivers on the road ever passed a test and you wonder who the heck taught them,,,BUSBY,,

Very true, which highlights the skill sets of the drivers, at any speed.

The A15 is looked at as a dangerous road but how can a road be dangerous,,,it doesn't move...BUSBY,,

The A15, specifically the section from the M180 to Lincoln, in my recent experience is a less risk road to drive, the traffic moves more freely, there is reduced incentive to take risk, although some (plonkers) still do it. It is still a road crying out for dualling, carrying the volumes of LGV traffic as it does. As far as I am aware there is no greater number of "incidents" than in the old 40mph days. That being the case, speed is not the factor, bad drivers are!.

As I said originally, It`s the Stupid, even criminal, driver that kills regardless of speed.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Sporting drivers mostly do not experience vehicles coming in the opposite direction and are competing against other skilled drivers,,unlike your daily commute when you do wonder how 25% of the other drivers on the road ever passed a test and you wonder who the heck taught them,,,BUSBY,,

As low as 25%

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[JJ]

JJ

 

[busby]

Very true, which highlights the skill sets of the drivers, at any speed.



The A15, specifically the section from the M180 to Lincoln, in my recent experience is a less risk road to drive, the traffic moves more freely, there is reduced incentive to take risk, although some (plonkers) still do it. It is still a road crying out for dualling, carrying the volumes of LGV traffic as it does. As far as I am aware there is no greater number of "incidents" than in the old 40mph days. That being the case, speed is not the factor, bad drivers are!.

As I said originally, It`s the Stupid, even criminal, driver that kills regardless of speed.

Agree but although they may be skilled they have vehicles with the best brakes,tyres,etc ,,no road junctions,,no pedestrians,,no cycles and no one coming in the other direction so they are driving in an ideal world with most hazards removed,,Therefore you would expect their accident rate to be very very low,,,

 

[suavecarve]

Must admit, I was driving with daylight running lights on, thinking all lights were on. I read on here a while back and now don’t use them. What’s the idea of only having front lights on, I’m sure most newbies think the same and use them.

Mickey.

The only reason i can think of (and i havent checked the rest of the thread yet) is travelling in convoy

 

[suavecarve]

Just a procedural point arising from the OP.

Apparently the Lorry driver was arrested for 'Causing Death by Dangerous Driving'.

Arrest following a death on the road is not a matter of apportioning blame on the driver of the lorry.

Unless things have changed (and they probably have), if the Police wish to interview a person for an offence that carries with it a power of arrest, they are under a duty, should they not arrest that person at that time, to tell that person at the outset of the interview that the interviewed person is not under arrest.
If the interviewed person does not cooperate with the Police, they (the Police) are not allowed to then arrest that person unless they obtain further evidence.
In other words, if the driver declines their questions, the Police can't cart him off to the Cells to have a further go at him under their terms.

That is why, in the vast majority of cases involving a death on the roads, the Police will arrest 'the other' party.

It is not a question that they have evidence and the other party to the accident is to blame. It's a procedural thing.

Under those circumstances, further evidence will literally be the taking of a formal statement (MG11). They will have been given the verbal account of a witness at the side of the road so then just take a statement. Same rules for bail, they either answer for charge decision or further evidence. This one was abused numerous times on rebails

 

[PeteH]

Agree but although they may be skilled they have vehicles with the best brakes,tyres,etc ,,no road junctions,,no pedestrians,,no cycles and no one coming in the other direction so they are driving in an ideal world with most hazards removed,,Therefore you would expect their accident rate to be very very low,,,

Agreed, which IMV highlights the issue, which is Driver Skill sets.? As a young man I did some Rally driving, which was Huge, Huge, fun, and I wrote off a car, and caused damage to another before I realised I was never going to be as skilled as the best, and gave up before I made my Kids fatherless!. For reasons which would take another page to explain I re-took my HGV aged 59. It was the best learning experience I had in years, I learned a great deal about driving, command of the road etc; etc: from a Guy who was even Older than me!. BUT the end result was I got critical of the things I had been doing before, and an appreciation of just how badly my skill set had degraded.

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[Ivory55]

I think practical driving lessons would be better then attending cpc course, but this would cost money and who would pay ? Was your hgv driving course paid for by yourself or by a firm ?

 

[Cleve]

Another one ran under the back of a parked lorry on the A2 at Guston, near Dover last night. This time injured not killed.

It is time proper provision was made for parking of vehicles overnight and not at a charge. The French and other countries system of Aires is good. Time for wake up Rip Off Britain.

 

[eddie]

It does annoy me that the Government place "Tiredness Kills" signs along the roads, yet doesn't provide anywhere to take the break, without paying £20-£25

 

[DavidG58]

I talked to a HGV driver friend about this recently, specifically the lorries parked up on exit slip roads from services

apparently it is becoming widely used by foreign drivers in the main as it falls outside the service area for charging and the police turn a blind eye to the law about mis use of hard shoulder as it technically is due to drivers hours excuse always offered in defence

so they park for free

I did spot some no waiting signs the other day on a service exit slip road cant recall where now but cant see the no parking being enforceable, just the no stopping on hard shoulder for which the fine is non endorseable and possibly not much more than parking charges particularly if you get away with every other one

Our last trip up from the chunnel we literally couldn't park on any service area until we got well north of London, this was late evening mid week, really felt for the lorry drivers

 

[JJ]

I have a (non researched) theory that if all the trucks in Europe stopped at the same time, there would be nowhere for all of them to park.

I also read somewhere that 80% of the cars on the roads in London, at any given time, are looking for somewhere to park.

(It is a peaceful and quiet day here in the Algarve!)


JJ

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[tomm]

It does annoy me that the Government place "Tiredness Kills" signs along the roads, yet doesn't provide anywhere to take the break, without paying £20-£25

I agree with you on that , however I am a bit more cynical , those signs are always at around the 2-3 mile mark from services, so is the signage and positioning financed by service stop owners , ready to snatch the cash ?

 

[WSandME]

Sporting drivers mostly do not experience vehicles coming in the opposite direction and are competing against other skilled drivers,

Only one aspect. Sporting drivers are paying attention! They are not chatting to passengers, texting, looking up a phone number...

 

[WSandME]

There is a mistaken theorem floating about that "speed kills".

In my view, it's not speed that kills - it's speed differential.

As an aside, I seem to remember a documentary describing how you were better off in a crash if you were nearer to the windscreen - because the speed differential would be lower.

 

[filopastry]

In my view, it's not speed that kills - it's speed differential.

As an aside, I seem to remember a documentary describing how you were better off in a crash if you were nearer to the windscreen - because the speed differential would be lower.

Not sure that is correct, if one is referring to the speed differential between two vehicles then the position within those vehicles would have no relevance as the speed each vehicle and its contents remains the same irrelevant of where within that vehicle they are positioned. The only time I can imagine that differs is if the object/occupant is outside the wheelbase and the vehicle is doing a pirouette at the same time

 

[eddie]

Not sure that is correct, if one is referring to the speed differential between two vehicles then the position within those vehicles would have no relevance as the speed each vehicle and its contents remains the same irrelevant of where within that vehicle they are positioned. The only time I can imagine that differs is if the object/occupant is outside the wheelbase and the vehicle is doing a pirouette at the same time

Well If two cars leave home and end up having an accident, and they both had stuck to the speed limit, had one of the cars been speeding, it wouldn't have been there at the time of the accident.

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