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[ManTheVan]

Has anyone here had their Ducato engine remapped?
If so, has it made a difference, either to power or consumption?
Has it had any adverse effects?
Would you recommend having it done?

We have a 6-speed manual 2.3 litre 130bhp btw.

 

[The Coops]

Celtic Tuning on the drive from 130 to 150 and makes a difference about 4 mpg more from fuel and a much better torque curve on the vehicle much smoother driving about £300 last time I looked and if not happy they will remap FOC

 

[Phill D]

Had our 2.3 130 done by Avon Tunning.
Huge difference in torque and you particularly note it on hills.
Mpg is not really noticeable but that might be the fact that if I am on the motorway I drive at 69 mph ( true speed ) on cruise control not 60 mph for better economy.

Had it done 5 or 6 years ago with no problems or issues.

There is a school of thought that the mechanicals clutch etc are not designed for the extra power / torque. But this is a motorhome and it is extremely unlikely you are going to drive it like you stole it.

 

[Spriddler]

Very many threads on this with opinions if you use the 'Search' button.
Here are just three if it helps.....

Fiat ducato 130 remap in Devon…any recommendations who to use?!

Hi, been thinking of a remap of our 130 2015 Rio ducato for some time now. Has around 20k on the clock and just want that extra bit of torque. has anyone any recommendations on which company / franchise to use, which dealer (leaning towards a Quantumn generic map), anyone to avoid? cheers.

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Considering remapping Fiat Ducato 2.3 130 Auto 6 Speed? Help?

I'm considering getting a remap it's only done 5000 miles, wondering with the 6-speed auto box is it worth getting the remap it's not the greatest of gearbox but you get used to it after a bit... I was toldncould get to 160 BHP from the map but wondered if it would be ok with the auto gearbox?

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

Remapping 2017 Ducato 2.3

Touring in Shropshire prior to NEC, one hill too many. Chugging away in front of a queue of traffic once too often. Anticipation helps and "taking a run at it" is not always possible. Searching the forum indicates a straight software update or a rolling road use are the options. Which solution...

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[Gellyneck]

Does remapping have any implications on insurance cover / premiums?

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[steve69]

I've heard that it can shorten the life of the clutch.

 

[David and Sally]

Does remapping have any implications on insurance cover / premiums?

I would think so. Best to declare it anyway even if the company are not really interested or don’t charge a premium.

 

[Thornebt]

I've heard that it can shorten the life of the clutch.

I can't see that it would shorten the clutch life but happy to be corrected.

 

[Phill D]

Does remapping have any implications on insurance cover / premiums?

I would think so. Best to declare it anyway even if the company are not really interested or don’t charge a premium.

You need to tell them and all they did for me was note it but no charge. They said it’s common

 

[poppycamper]

I can't see that it would shorten the clutch life but happy to be corrected.

Agreed.. the way I see it.... more torque = less gear changing and therefore less use of the clutch.... therefore less wear..
Unless of coarse the clutch already partially worn and more torque could cause clutch slip... regardless new clutch required in both scenarios ...

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[Headrush]

I think it depends on the age of the vehicle too. My 2007 could probably use the remap but as it suffers from the "judder when reversing" unless the clutch is released completely, I'm not willing to risk putting more power through the system.

 

[DJIT]

Agreed.. the way I see it.... more torque = less gear changing and therefore less use of the clutch.... therefore less wear..
Unless of coarse the clutch already partially worn and more torque could cause clutch slip... regardless new clutch required in both scenarios ...

The clutch connects the engine to the gearbox, so when driving it is always engaged and transferring the power from one to the other.
When you push the pedal, you disengage the clutch, which disconnect the engine from the gearbox so you can select a different gear.
So the clutch isn't really worn out when it's disengaged, but when it's engaged.
Whether it will be an issue depends on whether Fiat fit a different clutch to their 130HP manual than they fit to their 150hp manual, and I suspect they don't but I'm not entirely sure.

 

[poppycamper]

The clutch connects the engine to the gearbox, so when driving it is always engaged and transferring the power from one to the other.
When you push the pedal, you disengage the clutch, which disconnect the engine from the gearbox so you can select a different gear.
So the clutch isn't really worn out when it's disengaged, but when it's engaged.
Whether it will be an issue depends on whether Fiat fit a different clutch to their 130HP manual than they fit to their 150hp manual, and I suspect they don't but I'm not entirely sure.

What I said....

 

[Phill D]

Once a clutch is engaged ( and in normal drive ) it should not wear, unless there is an issue with the pressure plate.
it is the process of engagement and disengagement that causes wear. IE riding the clutch.

I have said in previous posts on this subject that I have had our van mapped for several years now with nothing but improved drivability.

 

[robnchris]

Has anyone here had their Ducato engine remapped?
If so, has it made a difference, either to power or consumption?
Has it had any adverse effects?
Would you recommend having it done?

We have a 6-speed manual 2.3 litre 130bhp btw.

We have the same engine as yourself bought from new, we had a remap done at 8000 miles. made a massive difference to how the vehicle drove, a much better driving experience.
We head to Cornwall 4 times a year before remapping we were up and down the gear box on those long hills on the A30, since the remap we never have to change down, the Vehicle just takes it in it's stride.
Fuel consumption prior to the remap was around 24mpg. ok it was a new engine, since the remap we now average 30mpg. Have now passed 50.000 miles with no problems to the clutch, choose a reputable company and get it done the difference is amazing. The remap made no difference to our insurance premiums.

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[Diabalo]

Does remapping have any implications on insurance cover / premiums?

Had mine done 8 years ago, 130bhp to 160bhp and had no probs, the extra power made a big difference can't comment on mpg as it was part of the deal so unable to compare.

I contacted my insurer Caravan Guard and it made no difference to the policy.

 

[geoc]

I have just spent £10,00 on an engine rebuild at 70k miles that caused a hole in one piston, the rest of the engine was in very good condition, that the garage reckoned was caused by a remap I didn't know about. The performance was better but I have not noticed a change in consumption when the ecu was returned to factory settings, I do miss the performance. This was on a Mercedes 646 engine.

 

[Phill D]

I have just spent £10,00 on an engine rebuild at 70k miles that caused a hole in one piston, the rest of the engine was in very good condition, that the garage reckoned was caused by a remap I didn't know about. The performance was better but I have not noticed a change in consumption when the ecu was returned to factory settings, I do miss the performance. This was on a Mercedes 646 engine.

Interesting, what specifically in the remapping do they allege caused the piston hole.

 

[TheMachMan]

Another thumbs up for Celtic tuning. 2.3 130bhp now up to 165bhp. Improves drivability no need to take the revs so high, more torque and smoother. Efficient service as they come to your house.

 

[Gizmouk]

Does remapping have any implications on insurance cover / premiums?

You'd need to tell your insurer. Some increase premiums, some aren't bothered.
Two of our cars have been remapped:
X5 40D - from 313BHP to 365BHP: Insurers wanted extra £32
X5M - from 616BHP to 665BHP: No increase in insurance

Not bothered remapping the MH, as it has the 3ltr engine, and pulls nicely.

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[Gizmouk]

I've heard that it can shorten the life of the clutch.

It's a MH, and generally driven far too gently by folk who then cry about clogged PDFs.
If you want to blow a clutch, use Launch Control starts

 

[ontheroadagain]

X5M - from 616BHP to 665BHP

Was 616BHP not enough?

 

[Guigsy]

the garage reckoned was caused by a remap

There are lots of possible causes of a holed piston. But on diesels, over fuelling is a common cause. That could be from a faulty injector that's jetting in too much fuel all the time, or it could be a really bad remap.

 

[Landy Andy]

Remap and egr delete done.
Much better

 

[dunnah01]

Had our 2.3 130 done by Avon Tunning.
Huge difference in torque and you particularly note it on hills.
Mpg is not really noticeable but that might be the fact that if I am on the motorway I drive at 69 mph ( true speed ) on cruise control not 60 mph for better economy.

Had it done 5 or 6 years ago with no problems or issues.

There is a school of thought that the mechanicals clutch etc are not designed for the extra power / torque. But this is a motorhome and it is extremely unlikely you are going to drive it like you stole it.

The engine ecu is a torque limited map. Any remap just increase the torque available at a given rpm and throttle position. Max torque is produced from about 1300rpm to 2500rpm so you don't have to drive it like you stole it to put the mechanicals under extra stresses.

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[Phill D]

The engine ecu is a torque limited map. Any remap just increase the torque available at a given rpm and throttle position. Max torque is produced from about 1300rpm to 2500rpm so you don't have to drive it like you stole it to put the mechanicals under extra stresses.

Yes You can put your mechanicals under extreme or extra stresses with a std map and bad / poor driving technique but you know that well.

Remapping can smooth out your driving or if it’s a really inappropriate remap can create problems.
I would agree that if someone is prone to putting a std vehicle under stress then a remap for additional power/ torque is likely magnify their flaws; and possibly make problems occur earlier.

But this is a discussion that can go round and round with experts from both camps disagreeing on the benefits or pitfalls.

 

[ianto999]

What about the fiat warranty, or extended warranty does a remap affect that?
Ian

 

[The Coops]

Is the standard mapping an attempt at the best compromise? Fiat/Ford/Mercedes have not much idea what converters may be fitting to their supplied bodies in regards of weight etc as the chassis is supplied with or without the cab and not much more

 

[Phill D]

What about the fiat warranty, or extended warranty does a remap affect that?
Ian

i would think it does, any modification of this nature is most likely to invalidate your warranty on the chassis used.

 

[dunnah01]

Yes You can put your mechanicals under extreme or extra stresses with a std map and bad / poor driving technique but you know that well.

Remapping can smooth out your driving or if it’s a really inappropriate remap can create problems.
I would agree that if someone is prone to putting a std vehicle under stress then a remap for additional power/ torque is likely to make problems occur earlier.

But this is a discussion that can go round and round with experts from both camps disagreeing on the benefits or pitfalls.

Nothing against remaps and they're great fun in turbo engines. I've messed about with a few cars and got some hilarious torque but you can't really avoid putting extra stress on things. The improved driveability is just putting more torque through the mechanicals which is what the map is all about.