LPG supplies
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The Sittingbourne, Kent, Morrisons filling station was taken over by MFG a week ago and was then closed for a few days for a limited refurbishment. There had been a rumour circulating that they'd remove the LPG but when it reopened the LPG tank and pump were still there and in use. I checked again today and, yes, definitely in use and the guy on the till knew of no plans to end it. Price 99.9p p/l. Good news.
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Lots of places are 99p a litre .Still cheaper and more convenient than calor.
We topped up a a builders yard in Wolverhampton on the way down to Coleford. A few mins off the M6. 67.5 p per litre. Saw a private local garage on route with deisel at 140.7p per litre.
Still good prices to be found.
We topped up a a builders yard in Wolverhampton on the way down to Coleford. A few mins off the M6. 67.5 p per litre. Saw a private local garage on route with deisel at 140.7p per litre.
Still good prices to be found.
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Bailey58
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There'll be a lot of unhappy taxi drivers if the remove the LPG in King's Lynn.
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Just filled up at Morrisons Kilmarnock and asked if there was any plans to phase out Autogas.. He said he not heard anything and infact also said they were in two weeks ago fitting a new gas tank!!
Now does that sound like a company that is planning to ditch Autogas in the near future???
Now does that sound like a company that is planning to ditch Autogas in the near future???
In a lot of cases it's about the age of the LPG storage tanks and the space on the forecourt.
Commercial LPG tanks have a 20 year lifespan.
Which means when they come up for renewal the owner of the site will take a close look at the profits. If it makes sence to upgrade, then they will. if it does not. then they simply rip it out.
The other big thing is forecourt space:
Our local filling station often has queues, when the LPG tank needed replacing they discovered they could get two extra fuel pumps in the place.
Not a difficult financial situation. Those two fuel pumps will make more in a month than the LPG pump made in a year.
Other fuel stations need the space for EV charging, again a couple of EV changing per hour makes more money than an LPG pump
Soon we will start to see diesel pumps being removed and replaced with EV charging, and I'll bet a few of those urban car washes in old garages will be converted into EV changing stations.
Commercial LPG tanks have a 20 year lifespan.
Which means when they come up for renewal the owner of the site will take a close look at the profits. If it makes sence to upgrade, then they will. if it does not. then they simply rip it out.
The other big thing is forecourt space:
Our local filling station often has queues, when the LPG tank needed replacing they discovered they could get two extra fuel pumps in the place.
Not a difficult financial situation. Those two fuel pumps will make more in a month than the LPG pump made in a year.
Other fuel stations need the space for EV charging, again a couple of EV changing per hour makes more money than an LPG pump
Soon we will start to see diesel pumps being removed and replaced with EV charging, and I'll bet a few of those urban car washes in old garages will be converted into EV changing stations.
If there is a local market, it will be filled.
If not by Morrisons, then a local marina or builders merchant will step in
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I think the problem with that is the initial installation costs. Unless there's a large number of potential regular users (& not just MH) it just isn't financially viable
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Interestingly one of the latest Tesco stores to be planned (and will be built soon) in UK in Aberdeen, Stonehaven... has 0 fuel provision, and is 100% EV charging in the space.
Forget even Petrol or Diesel in the future. And this is Scotland!
And thats the key problem, us with our (2 11kg, so 40l demand - filling bi-annually say) is relatively tiny compared with a car tank of 80l or more filling every week.
The only positive really on LPG is that a lot of trucks may be going this way as it's cleaner than diesel. One supermarket as I understand it is going 100% LPG on their next delivery fleet from hub to store.
Because of above I suspect we may see some LPG at truck stops appearing, the only downside is may be a long wait to fill behind a Lorry.
Gellyneck
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If they are run by the Government then definitely yes!
The big club sites should be looking into providing LPG pumps, they are charging enough.
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If I was using club sites with inclusive ehu, I wouldn't bother with refillables, just a cylinder once a year.
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Surely that would give them a great excuse to push up prices even further for the benefit of the minority who have refillable systems? The cost of installing LPG storage and pumps is very high, and anything but low risk. Planning permission and H&S I suspect would be a nightmare and expensive. I was involved with the build of filling stations 30 years ago and the regulations were tight then. Gas is even more volatile.
They would then charge top end prices and people would use them as a last resort. It's not their core business so they should leave it alone.
MichaelT
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What's that to do with LPG? Of course you could have more toilets then recycle the gasses created and sell it on club sites
That is methane, it burns, but not as well as a petrochemical.What's that to do with LPG? Of course you could have more toilets then recycle the gasses created and sell it on club sites
But they could use it to heat the water boiler in the showers.
Gellyneck
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Or build more motorhomes and caravans without toilets and showers giving more storage space for important stuff!
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Probably charge £2 a litre and only available if you are staying on site if I know CAMC
Yes, they wouldn’t want ‘non-resident’ members to avail themselves of membership benefits.
But that would be a ludicrous position to take; wouldn’t it?
Oh wait, that’s the stance they take on service visits, isn’t it!
Ian
Can you imagine the scene. You would have to go to reception. A warden would have to be in control of the pump while having the filling vehicle in constant sight and an emergency stop button available. How would they ever get the grass cut? .
Sorry, I think the idea is a complete none starter.
Sorry, I think the idea is a complete none starter.
Visited a private campsite near Cambridge that had LPG pump. My friend needed to fill his safefill bottle. Anybody could fill up there. Yes, he did operate the pump but still managed to cut the grass on what was an immaculate site.
He charged £1.08 per litre which I thought was reasonable and he made a profit over the year so no need to put his camping prices up.
Being in the unfortunate minority group I do not have the luxury of being able to buy Calor Gas bottles. My van came, as standard, with an underslung tank.
As long as it didn't put charges up for the majority and might even make money for the club, could be a starter.
Just a thought, should we also oppose the appearance of electric charge points on club sites. Now there's a minority group in the motorhome world
He charged £1.08 per litre which I thought was reasonable and he made a profit over the year so no need to put his camping prices up.
Being in the unfortunate minority group I do not have the luxury of being able to buy Calor Gas bottles. My van came, as standard, with an underslung tank.
As long as it didn't put charges up for the majority and might even make money for the club, could be a starter.
Just a thought, should we also oppose the appearance of electric charge points on club sites. Now there's a minority group in the motorhome world
Gellyneck
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Or go the whole hog and just boycott the clubs?Visited a private campsite near Cambridge that had LPG pump. My friend needed to fill his safefill bottle. Anybody could fill up there. Yes, he did operate the pump but still managed to cut the grass on what was an immaculate site.
He charged £1.08 per litre which I thought was reasonable and he made a profit over the year so no need to put his camping prices up.
Being in the unfortunate minority group I do not have the luxury of being able to buy Calor Gas bottles. My van came, as standard, with an underslung tank.
As long as it didn't put charges up for the majority and might even make money for the club, could be a starter.
Just a thought, should we also oppose the appearance of electric charge points on club sites. Now there's a minority group in the motorhome world
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Interesting.Visited a private campsite near Cambridge that had LPG pump. My friend needed to fill his safefill bottle. Anybody could fill up there. Yes, he did operate the pump but still managed to cut the grass on what was an immaculate site.
He charged £1.08 per litre which I thought was reasonable and he made a profit over the year so no need to put his camping prices up.
Being in the unfortunate minority group I do not have the luxury of being able to buy Calor Gas bottles. My van came, as standard, with an underslung tank.
As long as it didn't put charges up for the majority and might even make money for the club, could be a starter.
Just a thought, should we also oppose the appearance of electric charge points on club sites. Now there's a minority group in the motorhome world
They are charging about 10p a liter over the odds, but given the dearth of LPG filling points and the convenience of filling up with 5 vehicles behind you, paying slightly over the odds for 10 litres is neither here nor there.
I wonder what the cost of a commercial tank full of LPG is ?
And how much they typically sell in a year.
Add to that the annual cost of the tank installation and running costs including depreciation, certification, admin and insurance etc averaged over say 10 years.
It would then give the C&MHC a very good indication of how letres you need to sell per year to break even.
Gellyneck
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They'd also need to factor in the current profit made on Calor Gas sales and advertising support.
Given the volume of comments on here on the Clubs mainly focussing on caravans because they are the predominant member group that, obviously, would also need to be taken into consideration as the vast majority of caravans are fuelled by cylinder gas.
I wouldn't have thought it finacially viable for the Clubs to operate both cylinder and refilable operations in tandem.
I think that would depend on location.
There is a market for both refillables and non-refillables.
One market does not compete with the other
Cornwall, for example, has hundreds of campsites, and hundreds of thousands of caravans and motorhomes visiting every year.
Whilst Calor non-refillables are widely available, there are only two places that sell LPG, in the entire county!!
It means for those in North Cornwall, there is no LPG in any direction for 60+ miles, yet tens of thousands of vehicles flood down the A30 every hour.
The garage owners of North Cornwall are missing a profitable business.
Why would I want to boycott the clubs? I have no need for EHU. Grass only pitches 40% discount for three or more days. Add my allowance for my elderly years and it is by far the cheapest campsites for me. C&CC club.
Gellyneck
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Agree that garage owners may be missing a trick but my comments were in response to comments on the Clubs installing refillable infrastructure not on third party locations who may, or may not, currently supply cylinder gas.
You can probably discount a significant proportion of caravans from the equation as I've, personally, seen very few without either Calor or, to a much lesser extent, FloGas cylinders in their lockers.
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