Electoral register hacked. All details stolen. (1 Viewer)

[DuxDeluxe]

yes.

But they also had access to internal emails and documents which is highly concerning.

Also details of voters that don't appear on the registers for some reason, which may be of use to someone.

Thanks. That was why I was asking….. ducks are a bit slow on the uptake, you know

 

[MarionK]

I’m sure that people forget that every house had a book with everyone’s name, address and telephone number in it and an updated version was sent out each year.

We were, and I believe I still am, ex directory. I was last time I checked, but that was a couple of years ago now.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Who would pay for compensation for everyone on the electoral role........all the people on the electoral role plus all the admin expences doing it!. Not a great idea!

The government pays! Simples!

 

[Gromett]

The government pays! Simples!

Where does the government get it's money?

I have to presume you were being silly and just forgot to add an emoji to show this?

 

[SpeedyDux]

London used the Smartmatic electronic vote counting machines in the recent elections.

Would you be confident that such electronic voting systems, if rolled out across the UK for the next General Election, would increase or reduce the risk of electoral fraud?

My take is that humans counting paper votes in front of observers is still the better, more secure system, less open to widescale fraud or manipulation. Likewise, voting in person. Postal voting and ballot harvesting that goes with it is a big can of worms.

There is pressure as well to allow voting via smartphone. (Also reducing the voting age to 16, Labour's policy - a separate topic) What could possibly go wrong?

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[SpeedyDux]

Where does the government get it's money?

I have to presume you were being silly and just forgot to add an emoji to show this?

From the Magic Money Tree. As you told us, the Government can pay the interest to itself so the cost of borrowing is nil.

 

[Brains]

London used the Smartmatic electronic vote counting machines in the recent elections.

Would you be confident that such electronic voting systems, if rolled out across the UK for the next General Election, would increase or reduce the risk of electoral fraud?

My take is that humans counting paper votes in front of observers is still the better, more secure system, less open to widescale fraud or manipulation. Likewise, voting in person. Postal voting and ballot harvesting that goes with it is a big can of worms.

There is pressure as well to allow voting via smartphone. (Also reducing the voting age to 16, Labour's policy - a separate topic) What could possibly go wrong?

I don't disagree with what you say, however the days of in-person paper based voting systems have got to be numbered.
But by todays standards it's an already an archaic system, when electronic systems can do it so much better, faster and more accurately, and potentially be more secure.

Ballot tampering is nothing new, paper or electronic.

Think of the case of the 'hanging chads' in Florida which meant that President Gore was not elected in 2000. Bush got in, and almost immediately declared war on Iraq.
Proper electronic voting would have meant Gore won, and no war in Iraq and Global Warming would be less severe (and arguably Trump would not have won years later)

The only advantage of paper ballots is it means the tampering needs to be more widespread, involve more people and can be easier to detect, especially when the candidate wins 110% of the vote.

 

[steve69]

I've been shouting it from the rooftops for a long time now.
There is no such thing as a secret on a computer anywhere.
The Chinese Russians Americans and just about any other secret service have known all about you for many years now.
The recent electoral register hack is just a way of them updating their information.

 

[ctc]

More than a bit. This is critical data and should have been protected by the best security possible.

This is worrying as well though. Disclosure so the affected parties could take precautionary action if needed.

August 2021: hackers gain entry
October 2022: discovery of entry
August 2023: announcement of hack

That's quick for this government.

 

[Gromett]

From the Magic Money Tree. As you told us, the Government can pay the interest to itself so the cost of borrowing is nil.

Huh? What? I never to you anything.

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[Gromett]

That's quick for this government.

But it is not this government. That is a non governmental organisation specifically to prevent government meddling in elections.

 

[ctc]

London used the Smartmatic electronic vote counting machines in the recent elections.

Would you be confident that such electronic voting systems, if rolled out across the UK for the next General Election, would increase or reduce the risk of electoral fraud?

My take is that humans counting paper votes in front of observers is still the better, more secure system, less open to widescale fraud or manipulation. Likewise, voting in person. Postal voting and ballot harvesting that goes with it is a big can of worms.

There is pressure as well to allow voting via smartphone. (Also reducing the voting age to 16, Labour's policy - a separate topic) What could possibly go wrong?

It would depend on which friends of the government supplied supplied the voting system. The PEP scandal springs to mind.

 

[GJH]

But it is not this government. That is a non governmental organisation specifically to prevent government meddling in elections.

In theory. The Electoral Commission was created by the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000. The regulations under which it operates are controlled by parliament (by passing further legislation if it wishes), in effect the government of the day.

 

[Gromett]

In theory. The Electoral Commission was created by the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000. The regulations under which it operates are controlled by parliament (by passing further legislation if it wishes), in effect the government of the day.

It is independent of government. If government changed the rules to suite itself it would be publicly visible. But that was not the point.

My point was that this government is not responsible for this security breach, the independent of government organisation is.

 

[cyberyacht]

Oh well, I had a postal vote. Next time I shan't have to bother even with that. My vote for Militant Tendency/ Workers Revolutionary Party will probably be done for me.

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[Jimbohorlicks]

Putin will be using your details to rig his ballots when he re elects for President next year.