Winter tyres recommendations

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I have a Citroen jumper(relay) pvc van and I’m looking for recommendations for winter tyres with the 3 peak and snowflake mark.
Tyre size is 215/70/R15
Tried searching the forum but that just confused me even more!
Any help appreciated thanx 😁
 
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TOYO H09's Now "Observe" Switching From Michelin Agilis Alpin

As you may know from many of my numerous tyre posts and replies, I have always fitted Winter Tyres to all of our Motorhomes and vans. The last 3 Motorhomes, including the current one, have had Michelin Agilis Winter Tyres, as do my Sprinters. However, the prices of Michelin have rocketed (Paid...
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Had these fitted this week. Not a bad price at £117 a corner fully fitted. First trip is to Spain in early December so I'll know more what they're like then.
Nankang AW-8 119/121 235/65/16 All Season 3 peak marked

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Does anyone run winter tyres all year round and do they find them to be okay in summer weather?
 
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I fitted Nankang AW8’s when I uprated my payload, so far I’am very happy with them. Can’t complain at £100 a corner delivered from Camskill tyres. 😉

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DJIT said:
Does anyone run winter tyres all year round and do they find them to be okay in summer weather?
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Yes did on our last van without issue.
This van we have four seasons with the 3 peak and snowflake mark
 
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Ok been on the tinterweb, Toyo observe it is BUT….. camskill only have them in 225/70/15C instead of 215/70/15c at £87 a corner!?
 
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Gingernuts said:
Ok been on the tinterweb, Toyo observe it is BUT….. camskill only have them in 225/70/15C instead of 215/70/15c at £87 a corner!?
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You’ll end up with a slightly different rolling radius with the 225 tyres, as long as you’re aware? Do they fit your arches okay?😉
 
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Carpmart said:
You’ll end up with a slightly different rolling radius with the 225 tyres, as long as you’re aware? Do they fit your arches okay?😉
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Lol if I knew that I wouldn’t be asking 😉

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I have 225 70 15 Toyos on my boxer based van instead of the original 215 width as part of my weight upgrade visually they are almost identical. Practically, the width has made no difference except the speedometer now reads roughly true instead of a couple of mph under 🙂
 
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Itsmcb said:
I have 225 70 15 Toyos on my boxer based van instead of the original 215 width as part of my weight upgrade visually they are almost identical. Practically, the width has made no difference except the speedometer now reads roughly true instead of a couple of mph under 🙂
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It’s not the width (directly) that has changed the Speedo accuracy, it’s the rolling radius change! 😉😇

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PaulW2 said:
How do you find the wear rates if you use them through Spanish summers?
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I fitted four Toyo Observe winter tyres.
Very pleased with the ride, comfort and the grip.
After 15k the fronts needed replacing but there's still 6.5 to 7 mm on the rears.
I was surprised there was such a difference, I know the driven wheels wear faster but the rate surprised me.
I couldn't get observe of correct size to replace them so went for the Nanoenergy instead.
Although they do wear quicker on the front, they are much cheaper than camper tyres.
So overall, happy with them
 
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Gingernuts said:
Ok been on the tinterweb, Toyo observe it is BUT….. camskill only have them in 225/70/15C instead of 215/70/15c at £87 a corner!?
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Maybe you don’t want to buy some no name tyres but. 🤔
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Figaro said:
I fitted four Toyo Observe winter tyres.
Very pleased with the ride, comfort and the grip.
After 15k the fronts needed replacing but there's still 6.5 to 7 mm on the rears.
I was surprised there was such a difference, I know the driven wheels wear faster but the rate surprised me.
I couldn't get observe of correct size to replace them so went for the Nanoenergy instead.
Although they do wear quicker on the front, they are much cheaper than camper tyres.
So overall, happy with them
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I’ve found with RWD vehicles that the fronts and rears wear at a similar rate, the load being split between the steering wheels and the driven wheels, so maybe 40k miles each.
But with FWD vehicles, the fronts take a hammering, with maybe 20k on fronts and 60k on rears.
Over 80k you probably still buy the same number of tyres.
 
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DJIT said:
I’ve found with RWD vehicles that the fronts and rears wear at a similar rate, the load being split between the steering wheels and the driven wheels, so maybe 40k miles each.
But with FWD vehicles, the fronts take a hammering, with maybe 20k on fronts and 60k on rears.
Over 80k you probably still buy the same number of tyres.
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It varies quite a lot depending on the tyres.
We are FWD (Fiat) the original Michelin camper were down to 4 mm on the front and 4.5 mm on the rear when I changed them at 25000 miles. The Toyo winter tyres after 15000 miles fronts 3mm, rears 7 - 8 mm.
 
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The possibility of using winter tyres permanently, rather than switching seasonally or using all-season tyres, seems an interesting option. So I Googled a bit. First, from the Goodyear site:

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And a 'Nordicroads' study into the use of winter tyres in summer found that:
  • The braking distance on dry asphalt was about 15 per cent longer for winter tyres compared to summer tyres, regardless of the speed before braking. On wet asphalt the braking distance was 20 per cent longer for winter tyres compared to summer tyres, regardless of the speed before braking.
  • For double lane change tests on wet asphalt, the maximum speed was about 83 km/h for summer tyres and 72 km/h for winter tyres, an improvement in performance by 15 per cent.
  • In handling tests on a curvy wet asphalt track the lap time was compared between the summer and winter tyre for each respective manufacturer. Summer tyres were in general 10–17 per cent faster compared to winter tyres.
There I was hoping for a solution for all circumstances, with additional wear as the only negative. But as ever it seems it's a compromise. So do I do more miles at 5 degrees or 20? Most of my annual mileage is at higher temperatures - sometimes considerably above.

I don't want to switch tyres seasonally.

This therefore again inclines me towards all-season tyres. And there too, there are of course multiple options...

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So maybe the all-season option really is the best option for all-seasons?
 
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Gingernuts said:
Ok been on the tinterweb, Toyo observe it is BUT….. camskill only have them in 225/70/15C instead of 215/70/15c at £87 a corner!?
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I had briefly had 225s on the front of our old Hymer, instead of the usual 215s. On a tight left or right lock, the edging tread did catch the wheel arch liners, but only occasionally.

We are 225 x 6 all round now, with 3PMSF Falken Euro All Season 2.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
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Update :
Well couldn’t get Toyo tyres anywhere at a decent price and before my 27th Nov trip start date so leaving it for now and charting a course to Morocco to avoid snow 😐
 
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