Yes that's the theory Jon but the 3 litre diesel BMW is better on fuel as an Auto over a manual, according to the figures anyway.
I don't think cars and commercials really compare that well Martin because the forces at work are very different. years ago when I had the courier/parcel business I had a conversation with one of the guys selling aerodynamic packages for light trucks and was really surprised when he said that the benefits of aero packages were limited because the rolling resistance from the tyres and driveline were so high.
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Other than the 4wd that offers no real usage the New N+B iSmove which is in A Class mode runs rings around it.
I'm a big fan of N&B but don't rate the Smove. Have you seen it in the flesh?
I've been in the Low Profile one I got the inpression it was more of a day van for surfers & mountain bikers.
Please read my post no 24 ... it's the lower one not the one at the normal height I'm talking about.
Not the new one but l did buy the first model and loved it. I missed the size of the Concorde so moved back up
You will see my post above. It actually had everything my a Concorde had other than plenty if space. I did a 6 month tour in it no problem.
On our RS Elysian with this set up ie Iveco engine and auto on 9m A class we get 16 driven hard and 20 when driven steady on the motorway keeping to 55/60Hi Martin, may I ask what kind of mpg you get with a morelo or Concorde type moho with the Iveco engine with the auto box.
RWD will be my next and final van but not for at least 5-7 yrs
All current torque converter autos have converter lock-up clutches on one or more gears. With lock-up here are no converter losses and no economy hit.
When we were in our motorhome out there it was SCARY to see some of the guys driving 40 +foot rigs.
Please read my post no 24 ... it's the lower one not the one at the normal height I'm talking about.
I agree. American motorhomes are generally poor build quality. There are exceptions though.
So higher revs on acceleration makes no difference. That s a little hard to believe.
The new A class smove seemed incredibly fragile to me. Imo its the wrong direction for N&b who are no longer represented in the liner market.
I do know where you are coming from but the sub 3500gvw is massive by comparison particularly in France, it may be they are chasing other markets more vigorously.
Yes but the sub3500 market is absolutely saturated with mh's that are a lot cheaper than the smove.
I agree Jon, they seem to be moving away from their roots and letting Concorde and MORELO take the liner end of the market, I wonder if it is that the parent group Hymer just don't see them selves in that area.
Seriously go and have a look at the a class smove, ok it has a lot of tick box items that will lure in the inexperienced but push and pull stuff, try and slide the shower wall, the kitchen flaps etc and then imagine living with it - silly thing s like where your clothes would go , where you are going to get dressed after your shower etc. Oh and the black decor panels.
The main losses occurred at cruise with a continuous 10% converter slip: lock-up obviates that. In addition there's little need for the torque converter as a "ratio modifier" with modern boxes having up to 8 gearsets with very rapid response to load. The long history of poor economy springs from the time when autoboxes had three speeds and a very heavily-worked torque converter with no lock-up clutch. You may also have noticed that autobox cooling has ceased to be an issue now that virtually no fuel is being used to heat the torque converter
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Sorry I'm still sceptical. If torque converters issues have all gone why aren't heavy trucks using them?The main losses occurred at cruise with a continuous 10% converter slip: lock-up obviates that. In addition there's little need for the torque converter as a "ratio modifier" with modern boxes having up to 8 gearsets with very rapid response to load. The long history of poor economy springs from the time when autoboxes had three speeds and a very heavily-worked torque converter with no lock-up clutch. You may also have noticed that autobox cooling has ceased to be an issue now that virtually no fuel is being used to heat the torque converter
I'm no truck expert but I believe some are. Or maybe they're DSGs. Either way they have special requirements regarding close and numerous ratios. I wouldn't deliberately choose a manual gearbox for any vehicle. I regard(ed!) myself as an enthusiastic driver and still got most fun out of a Reliant Scimitar with 3-speed Borg-Warner. My vehicle other than the mh is a recent Smart with DSG - probably the ultimate 'autobox'. Robotics are spawn of the Devil
.I'm no truck expert but I believe some are. Or maybe they're DSGs. Either way they have special requirements regarding close and numerous ratios. I wouldn't deliberately choose a manual gearbox for any vehicle. I regard(ed!) myself as an enthusiastic driver and still got most fun out of a Reliant Scimitar with 3-speed Borg-Warner. My vehicle other than the mh is a recent Smart with DSG - probably the ultimate 'autobox'. Robotics are spawn of the Devil
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