While we're at it...re gas!

[yodeli]

With the heat wave, I've wondered what was the risk with bottles of gas on board.

Been on internet to try and find out what was/were the risk(s).
Self inflammation occurs at 490° C
But obviously letting a bottle go up to 50° C ,which seems easy to reach at the moment, means danger of explosion.

Aware that Max is parked next to the house and next to the little ones I mind, I began to worry quite a lot, for Max of course but for human beings as well
I started with towels soaked in cold water and put them around the bottle of gas I had in Max. At that time of the day it was already too hot and so too dangerous to take the bottle out of its compartment.
Next day, at 6 o'clock in the morning I removed the bottle (and by the way got a big PAH that highly surprised me, when I took the hose off (Yes bottle was shut of course!)
What do you do when travelling? You can't really put it away in the sun shine so what is/are your solution(s)

Autres questions posées​

Quelle température supporte une bouteille de gaz ?


les bouteilles de butane et de propane ne résistent pas à des températures extrêmement chaudes. Elles ne doivent donc pas être placées dans des conditions qui peuvent porter leur température au-dessus de 50°C.

 

[The Wino]

As a lot of gas canisters are stored outside in fairly hot locations and I've never heard of any explosions and lots of motorhomers have gas canisters in hot locations without problems I suspect it's not a problem.

 

[Larby]

Bonjour. The bottles live outside in all temperatures.

 

[PP Bear]

I honestly don’t think that there’s an issue over this. The flat we rent at the moment has 4 x 47kg bottles which are huge in comparison and they sit outside, in direct sunshine and pass all gas safety inspections and insurance inspections. The flat opposite ours has another 4 on the other side of the building and again, never an issue.

I don’t think they would release the bottles without knowing that they are safe, especially in the weather we have across Europe.

 

[The Wino]

I did a bit of online research https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/1969-... goes from 0 bar,LPG cylinder pressure in bar.

The cylinder evidently has a pressure relief valve but even at 70 c it wouldn't be a high enough pressure to need it. Looks like the cylinder doesn't need the wet towel treatment!

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[Lenny HB]

Only time it would be a problem if they have been overfilled. Unlikely to happen on exchange bottles refilled by reputable suppliers.
Slight chance on re-fillables if the shut off valve sticks.
Overall a very low risk.

 

[The Wino]

Only time it would be a problem if they have been overfilled. Unlikely to happen on exchange bottles refilled by reputable suppliers.
Slight chance on re-fillables if the shut off valve sticks.
Overall a very low risk.

Even if over 80% filled would it be a problem I would have thought that the coefficient of expansion of liquid gas is pretty small there would only need to be a big enough amount in gas to allow for it

 

[ManTheVan]

They use bottled gas in the South of France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Central Africa, Asia and the West Indies, where temperatures are often sky high, so I don‘t think there’s any problem.

 

[Orion]

The unvented hot water cylinder in your home is likely to be more of a problem if it hasn’t been installed correctly, (or had the safety interlocks and valves disabled)!

 

[yodeli]

I've read a lot as well about all the bottles stored outside, I was just wondering as they seem to say different things on internet and indeed I don't know which one I should believe

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[yodeli]

Orion
Whaoo ...impressive!

 

[Peter and Julie]

With the heat wave, I've wondered what was the risk with bottles of gas on board.

Been on internet to try and find out what was/were the risk(s).
Self inflammation occurs at 490° C
But obviously letting a bottle go up to 50° C ,which seems easy to reach at the moment, means danger of explosion.

Aware that Max is parked next to the house and next to the little ones I mind, I began to worry quite a lot, for Max of course but for human beings as well
I started with towels soaked in cold water and put them around the bottle of gas I had in Max. At that time of the day it was already too hot and so too dangerous to take the bottle out of its compartment.
Next day, at 6 o'clock in the morning I removed the bottle (and by the way got a big PAH that highly surprised me, when I took the hose off (Yes bottle was shut of course!)
What do you do when travelling? You can't really put it away in the sun shine so what is/are your solution(s)

Autres questions posées​

Quelle température supporte une bouteille de gaz ?


les bouteilles de butane et de propane ne résistent pas à des températures extrêmement chaudes. Elles ne doivent donc pas être placées dans des conditions qui peuvent porter leur température au-dessus de 50°C.

Not a lot of choice in our van approx 220L when full of GPL/LPG. Think we'd just go bang! We were due to leave for France last Tuesday but put off till this coming Tuesday because of the French heatwave. 50C isn't my idea of fun!

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I've read a lot as well about all the bottles stored outside, I was just wondering as they seem to say different things on internet and indeed I don't know which one I should believe

When at sea (on refrigerated LPG carrier) we used to keep about 300m3 (160 tonnes) of propane in the deck pressure vessel in all sorts of climates, including the gulf at anchor in August where the daytime temperature was 45°C at times and the deck burningly hot. Asfar as I recall, the pressure never got above 14 bar.

 

[old-mo]

Frankie yodeli You will be fine, don`t worry...

Gas bottles SHOULD have a date test stamp on them.... Just found this =

Gas Bottle Testing – LPG Gas Cylinder Testing Procedure – LPG Gas Bottle Expiry Date​

The gas bottle expiry date is marked on the bottle with the month and 2 digits of the year. If a gas bottle is undamaged, it can be refilled an unlimited number of times prior to expiry. Once older than 10 years, it must be inspected and tested by a licensed test station, prior to refilling.

Gas bottle expiry date stamps are first applied by the manufacturer. As long as the bottle remains undamaged, it can be refilled without limit in the first 10 years. Once a bottle is over 10 year, it must be re-inspected before refilling. The gas bottle expiry date and manufacturer is stamped into the neck ring, as shown.

LPG gas cylinder testing regulations require that gas cylinders be inspected and tested every ten years. It is both dangerous and illegal to fill out-of-date or damaged cylinders. Expiry requires LPG gas cylinder testing and re-stamping, by an approved test station, prior to refilling.

LPG gas cylinder testing includes LPG gas bottle expiry confirmation; Degassing; Internal inspection; External inspection; Valve inspection or replacement; and New LPG gas bottle expiry date stamp. The testing is done every 10 or 15 years, depending on the vessel size and the country.

Gas cylinder testing is the periodic inspection and hydrostatic testing (in some cases) of gas cylinders.

LPG gas cylinder testing must be done every ten or fifteen years by a licensed test station. LPG gas cylinder testing procedure may also include any refurbishment or painting required.

LPG Gas Bottle Expiry Date​

The LPG gas bottle expiry date exists for safety reasons. The first LPG gas bottle expiry date is 10 years from the date of manufacture, which is either painted on the gas bottle or stamped into the neck ring. The gas bottle must be tested after expiry. If it passes, a new LPG gas bottle expiry date is placed on the gas bottle indicative of 10 years from the re-test date.
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Next time you change a bottle, check the date stamp on it... They are tested way above the pressure of the gas that is put in..