Which Gas Pigtail Type for Morocco

[bigtwin]

I have a couple of Truma gas pig tails but don't know if they are suitable for the gas bottles used in Morocco. Can anyone (Basildog?) clarify for me?

These are the one that I have (a G7 and a G12):

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

The ones that fit the 3.6 and 6kg Moroccan bottles are the same that fit the camping gaz . Not sure of the technical name.

 

[Basildog]

Butane G8 also known as 109 union
This is what you require or you could use this adaptor with your G12 kLF German pigtail.

GOK No.4 Butane Adapter

GOK number 4 adapter for use with regulators with a KLF fitting to connect to a 21.8 LH x 1/14 LH GOK part number – 09 735 34

autogasshop.co.uk

 

[jongood]

I have a couple of Truma gas pig tails but don't know if they are suitable for the gas bottles used in Morocco. Can anyone (Basildog?) clarify for me?

These are the one that I have (a G7 and a G12):
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The regular size gas bottles are the same connector as a French one. I believe the gasflow ones fit. However the much better plan if you have a bulkhead mounted reg is to use a bottle reg and connect it through the external bbq point ( especially if you have secumotion)

 

[bigtwin]

Thanks Jon.

The regular size gas bottles are the same connector as a French one.

Interesting, but neither of the pigtails I have suggest that they’re compatible with French bottles.

However the much better plan if you have a bulkhead mounted reg is to use a bottle reg and connect it through the external bbq point

I’m struggling to understand why a bottle regulator would be preferable over a bulkhead regulator (which I have) particularly given that I have space in the gas locker to fit a Morrocan bottle. Am I missing something?

( especially if you have secumotion)

I do, but, again, I’m struggling to follow the rationale - I’m obviously missing something.

Ian

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[Basildog]

The regular size gas bottles are the same connector as a French one. I believe the gasflow ones fit. However the much better plan if you have a bulkhead mounted reg is to use a bottle reg and connect it through the external bbq point ( especially if you have secumotion)

Not good advice
Not only do all BBQ (gas outlet) manufacturers specifically state that they aren’t designed as an inlet but most bottle mounted gas regulators are single stage and designed for outdoor use only as they don’t incorporate any over pressure protection, they can fail to full bottle pressure .
Far safer to use the correct gas pigtail and operate through the bulkhead regulator.

 

[jongood]

Not good advice
Not only do all BBQ (gas outlet) manufacturers specifically state that they aren’t designed as an inlet but most bottle mounted gas regulators are single stage and designed for outdoor use only as they don’t incorporate any over pressure protection, they can fail to full bottle pressure .
Far safer to use the correct gas pigtail and operate through the bulkhead regulator.

Its good advice for Morocco because the gas is quite oily and has killed quite a few regulators, the Secumotion ones seems particularly vulnerable.

In using a bottle in this way you would obviously stand the gas bottle outside the vehicle.

bigtwin You would need the pigtails with the French Connector (L/H 3/4 Bsp??) I think I might have one if thats the way you wanted to go let me know and I will check and post it to you. hope you have a great trip Ian,

 

[jongood]

I think its this one

 

[jongood]

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[bigtwin]

I think its this one



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Thanks Jon. Does it have some info on the yellow collar?

Ian

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[jongood]

It says Truma SBS-C and GOK0412 is stamped on the rupture valve. I think they re very similar to the German ones but not exactly the same Basildog probably knows?

 

[Basildog]

Its good advice for Morocco because the gas is quite oily and has killed quite a few regulators, the Secumotion ones seems particularly vulnerable.

In using a bottle in this way you would obviously stand the gas bottle outside the vehicle.

bigtwin You would need the pigtails with the French Connector (L/H 3/4 Bsp??) I think I might have one if thats the way you wanted to go let me know and I will check and post it to you. hope you have a great trip Ian,

Sorry but I have to disagree
Not sure why you think the bottle outside is going to help in any way ?
Those cheap bottle top regulators are not meant for supplying gas to a leisure vehicle, they can and have failed to full bottle pressure which you really don’t want in a confined space.
Seeing what people have done whilst in Morocco actually beggars belief.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

You should see the state of some bottles in Morocco. Bashed, rusty bottom rim welds broken. But you can if your lucky pick out the best ones.plus they are usually stored outside in the sun.
Note that the gas is maily butane so doesnt gas off easily if cold and it can get cold at night. There is usually enough to run a fridge but not to light the hob apart from 3mm high flames until warmed up in the sun.No chance for a grill.

 

[jongood]

Sorry but I have to disagree
Not sure why you think the bottle outside is going to help in any way ?
Those cheap bottle top regulators are not meant for supplying gas to a leisure vehicle, they can and have failed to full bottle pressure which you really don’t want in a confined space.
Seeing what people have done whilst in Morocco actually beggars belief.

Who said cheap? Not me.

Bottle regulators have been used in Caravans and Motorhomes for years, I bet there are people on this forum with them.

 

[Basildog]

Who said cheap? Not me.

Bottle regulators have been used in Caravans and Motorhomes for years, I bet there are people on this forum with them.

Just because something has been done for years doesn’t make it right.
I have to give the correct current information for obvious reasons, open flued water heaters were also used for years but how many students / tenants had to die before change happened.
The same applies to single stage regulators that were changed after lessons were learned.
We hear it every day in the workshop

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[jongood]

Just because something has been done for years doesn’t make it right.
I have to give the correct current information for obvious reasons, open flued water heaters were also used for years but how many students / tenants had to die before change happened.
The same applies to single stage regulators that were changed after lessons were learned.
We hear it every day in the workshop

For those feeling super cautious ( pretty sure there will be a French version)

CSR 485 Single Cylinder Mounted Regulator OPSO 37mbar 4kg/h - Clesse UK Solutions for LPG

The CSR485 is a low-pressure cylinder regulator engineered to adhere to the most recent COP32 industry standards, mandating the inclusion of an OPSO (over pressure shut off) mechanism for enhanced safety measures. By incorporating the OPSO feature, this regulator effectively safeguards...

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[Lenny HB]

Those cheap bottle top regulators are not meant for supplying gas to a leisure vehicle, they can and have failed to full bottle pressure which you really don’t want in a confined space.

Bottle top regulators are still supplied on a lot of German vans, Hymer for example, the bulkhead one is an option.
German bottle top regulators do have a safety pressure relief valve.

 

[scotjimland]

Bottle regulators have been used in Caravans and Motorhomes for years, I bet there are people on this forum with them.

Indeed..

My PVC has a bottle regulator .. van is 20 years old .. hasn't blown up yet .. and for more years than I care to count we had them on our caravans.. never any problems..

on the other hand, I had to replace a faulty bulkhead regulator on my Hymer..

While in Morocco with the RV there were no places to fill the LPG tank, so I bought a 13kg butane bottle and a regulator and fed into a BBQ point .. bottle stood outside while using ..

 

[jongood]

Indeed..

My PVC has a bottle regulator .. van is 20 years old .. hasn't blown up yet .. and for more years than I care to count we had them on our caravans.. never any problems..

on the other hand, I had to replace a faulty bulkhead regulator on my Hymer..

While in Morocco with the RV there were no places to fill the LPG tank, so I bought a 13kg butane bottle and a regulator and fed into a BBQ point .. bottle stood outside while using ..

Exactly what most people do. one of the biggest campsite safety hazards in Morocco is the EHU. We were actually parked next to one where the hab charger caught fire due to voltage fluctuation on a previous trip and on last years trip there was a surge through the campsite which took out several fridges, chargers and other devices. These we saw first hand but lots of similar stories, its a fairly regular occurrence.

 

[scotjimland]

one of the biggest campsite safety hazards in Morocco is the EHU.

that's a fact .. and why I never used it... one look at the EHU outlets , cabling and distribution box was enough for me .. scary stuff ..

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[Basildog]

Bottle top regulators are still supplied on a lot of German vans, Hymer for example, the bulkhead one is an option.
German bottle top regulators do have a safety pressure relief valve.

Yes we stock them as like you say many continental vans and caravans use them
Unfortunately most people don’t know the difference and use cheap single stage ones that are more available.

 

[Chrisbb]

So it sounds like it is mostly Butane that is being sold in Morocco - doesn't that become a real issue in winter or in the mountains as Butane has a much higher boiling point than Propane? I'm going for 5 weeks over Christmas and will definitely need to by gas there as we rely on gas for fridge, heating and cooking.

Does anybody know what diameter the moroccan bottles have? I have a 6kg Gaslow bottle, but can't fit anything bigger inside as the gas compartment door is quite small.

I'm also a little concerned about this blog post: https://touringcook.com/gas-in-morocco/
He even has a gas filter and is still getting that much soot - did anybody have similar experiences?

 

[Barchetta47]

Okay if you have a Gaslow/Gasit system your best bet to to get the adaptor from them which connects to the Gaslow filler point, they also sell an in line filter. We have used this approach for three visits to Morocco and will use it again this year. We haven’t had any issues with oil/soot or the Butane problems you mention.

The plus side is that Moroccan bottles are very cheap.

Gaslow Braided Local / Reserve Gas Cylinder Connection Hose

The Gaslow Braided Local Cylinder Connection Hose simply screws into the Gaslow filler point and now you can connect any gas cylinder adapter that has a 21.8LH fitting to the Hose. Length 1.5 metres

touringoutlet.co.uk

 

[jongood]

Okay if you have a Gaslow/Gasit system your best bet to to get the adaptor from them which connects to the Gaslow filler point, they also sell an in line filter. We have used this approach for three visits to Morocco and will use it again this year. We haven’t had any issues with oil/soot or the Butane problems you mention.

The plus side is that Moroccan bottles are very cheap.

Gaslow Braided Local / Reserve Gas Cylinder Connection Hose

The Gaslow Braided Local Cylinder Connection Hose simply screws into the Gaslow filler point and now you can connect any gas cylinder adapter that has a 21.8LH fitting to the Hose. Length 1.5 metres

touringoutlet.co.uk

Its the secumotion regulators they tend to kill, others don't seem to suffer as much. Apparently their gas is quite oily (although Morocco is improving all the time). I'm still a long way from plugging into their EHU's though. I have my charger on 3 pin plug so if I absolutely had to I could just plug that in.

 

[Barchetta47]

I'm still a long way from plugging into their EHU's though.

Agreed, it’s too risky for us.

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[Jimbohorlicks]

You can buy morroccan gas bottles that are really cheap. A 6kg bottle is around 90dirams and a camping gaz size 907 type is around 45 dirams. They can be swapped for a refill almost anywhere
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We have gaslow and used the gaslow adaptor hose( plugged in to our fill point) that we use in Spain and an adaptor on the gas bottle to take the adaptor hose. You can buy the bottle connection in morrocco.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0757588K8?tag=mhf04-21

The gaslow adaptor hose fits to this 907 type adaptor.thesexarexavailable all over morocco and are pence to buy. Plus you can buy a screw on single burner to take a kettle etc for around 45 dirams.
As long as you keep the bottle low ie on the floor outside your van then you are just using the gas vapir and not transferring any oils etc.
The bottles are usually bashed about a lot so make sure the top face where the seal goes is not too damaged otherwise you may have a leak. Washers are really cheap .get a few whilst you are there..most of thecgas is butane so ifcits cold and it can be it may take a while for the bottle to gas off. Always keep it in the sun if you can.

 

[Chrisbb]

Thanks nall - very helpful. Thing is we won't be staying on campsites much, but travelling around the country, also mountains and desert - so having the Truma running at night for heating if it goes below zero is probably not realistic with Butane, right?

 

[jongood]

Thanks nall - very helpful. Thing is we won't be staying on campsites much, but travelling around the country, also mountains and desert - so having the Truma running at night for heating if it goes below zero is probably not realistic with Butane, right?

Good luck with that, You can stop in what you think is deserted and still be pretty sure a Moroccan in a high vis will appear and claim to be the guardian . tbf they dont usually ask for much.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Thanks nall - very helpful. Thing is we won't be staying on campsites much, but travelling around the country, also mountains and desert - so having the Truma running at night for heating if it goes below zero is probably not realistic with Butane, right?

Lots of "guardian" car parks to be fair. Generally all secure and only 3 to 5 dirhams a night and some have emptying facilities.

 

[Palough]

You should see the state of some bottles in Morocco. Bashed, rusty bottom rim welds broken. But you can if your lucky pick out the best ones.plus they are usually stored outside in the sun.
Note that the gas is maily butane so doesnt gas off easily if cold and it can get cold at night. There is usually enough to run a fridge but not to light the hob apart from 3mm high flames until warmed up in the sun.No chance for a grill.

This the way they refill European gas bottles in Morocco, Mauritania and Senegal.

It's done everywhere, especially at the boat clubs where they encounter every conceivable type of fitting

The physics says that you can only fill to 50% be side when the pressure in the receiving bottle equals the pressure in the donor bottle it stops at 50% each.

The way they fill the receiving bottle is to wrap it in a wet blanket to keep it cool and leave the donor bottle in the sun

Regular event in Africa

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