Well a recent visit to Portugal was like stepping back in time

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A recent visit to Portugal was like stepping back in time. It's been ten years now since we as a country have been smoke free in public areas, no regrets apart from the law should have been introduced years before it was.

Using café’s and bars in Portugal was just like the good old days in the UK, smoke haze smell and coughing fellow eaters, do they have any smoking restrictions in Portugal?

It was also reassuring to hear that e-cigarettes have been added to all smoking warnings on aircraft now, it has stopped the queues for the onboard toilets.

 

[Glandwr]

Haven't been for 3 years but some German pubs are like stepping into a 60s London smog with huge overflowing as trays. Then others are smoke free.

 

[chaser]

The usual European nonsense, Brussels makes the rules for the whole of Europe but only Britain take any notice.

 

[Glandwr]

Smoking regulations in public places have nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. False news

 

[Cat53]

https://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/smoke-free_environments_en

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https://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/smoke-free_environments_en

That sounds pretty conclusive....

 

[CWH]

My emphasis in red:

The Council Recommendation on smoke-free environments was adopted, as the result of consultation and legislative process, on 30 November 2009, calling on Member States to act[.....]
https://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/smoke-free_environments_en

Recommendations differ from regulations, directives and decisions, in that they are not binding for Member States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommendation_(European_Union)

 

[Jim]

We banned smoking in public indoor places long before that, 2007. That was due to an act we passed in 2006.

Presently the EU want smoking banned on beaches. Now that is a great idea, ciggy stubs in your kids sand-castles are disgusting.

 

[buttons]

1st July 2007 is a memorable day in history when smoking in all enclosed work places in England became illegal as a consequence of the Health Act 2006. The sad part in Portugal was that it was mainly the smoking Brits who were abusing my fresh air. Goes to prove that sometimes a big stick is the only thing that some people understand..

 

[gus-lopez]

1st July 2007 is a memorable day in history when smoking in all enclosed work places in England became illegal as a consequence of the Health Act 2006. The sad part in Portugal was that it was mainly the smoking Brits who were abusing my fresh air. Goes to prove that sometimes a big stick is the only thing that some people understand..

They are only abiding by the law.

Portuguese Law 37/2007 (in force since 1 January 2008) governs various aspects of the consumption, sale and control of tobacco in Portugal, and lists a large number of enclosed spaces where smoking is not permitted, including such obvious cases as schools, hospitals and theatres. The law states that exceptions to the no-smoking rule may be made in the cases, inter alia, of enclosed eating and drinking establishments (i.e. restaurants, cafes and bars) not frequented by under-18s if the smoking area is physically separated from the non-smoking area or where ventilation and air extraction systems directed towards the exterior are effective to the point of preventing smoke from entering the non-smoking area, and that in the case of establishments with a floor area of more than 100 square metres no more than 40% (if physically separated) or 30% otherwise may be designated a smoking area. In effect, restaurants are almost always smoke-free as are most cafes whose trade is mainly for food, whereas in bars the law is ignored by customers and bar owners alike. A study published in 2011 by the Ministry of Health showed 90% compliance with the law in establishments with a total smoking ban, but only 50% compliance in establishments where smoking is partly or wholly permitted (i.e., most bars).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans#Portugal

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[peterc10]

I do not recognise the Portugal you were in. Been there a few times and very little smoking indoors. There was plenty outdoors of course as there is in the UK. The difference is the weather means that you are more likely to want to sit outside.

You were staying in the Agarve as I understand it. Were the smokers Portuguese or tourists I wonder?

 

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They are only abiding by the law.

Portuguese Law 37/2007 (in force since 1 January 2008) governs various aspects of the consumption, sale and control of tobacco in Portugal, and lists a large number of enclosed spaces where smoking is not permitted, including such obvious cases as schools, hospitals and theatres. The law states that exceptions to the no-smoking rule may be made in the cases, inter alia, of enclosed eating and drinking establishments (i.e. restaurants, cafes and bars) not frequented by under-18s if the smoking area is physically separated from the non-smoking area or where ventilation and air extraction systems directed towards the exterior are effective to the point of preventing smoke from entering the non-smoking area, and that in the case of establishments with a floor area of more than 100 square metres no more than 40% (if physically separated) or 30% otherwise may be designated a smoking area. In effect, restaurants are almost always smoke-free as are most cafes whose trade is mainly for food, whereas in bars the law is ignored by customers and bar owners alike. A study published in 2011 by the Ministry of Health showed 90% compliance with the law in establishments with a total smoking ban, but only 50% compliance in establishments where smoking is partly or wholly permitted (i.e., most bars).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans#Portugal

All good stuff gus but it does show that Brit smokers given the chance will still bring those passive smokers on board to share their pollutants.
What about these e-cigarette thingies too, what are all those huge clouds of smoke all about, like a bloody steam train going uphill and they are convinced that it is good for them.....

 

[buttons]

I do not recognise the Portugal you were in. Been there a few times and very little smoking indoors. There was plenty outdoors of course as there is in the UK. The difference is the weather means that you are more likely to want to sit outside.

You were staying in the Agarve as I understand it. Were the smokers Portuguese or tourists I wonder?

I'm sorry to say that majority were probably outsiders taking advantage of the lax attitude to the smoking restrictions peter. I'll add that given the time of year most outside places were covered. This could have been the problem when outside space is encapsulated in walls with ashtrays on the tables, smokers will smoke. Not sure I came across the ventilation that gus made reference too.

 

[Chris]

I reckon they should ban smoking in smoking areas next

 

[gus-lopez]

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What about these e-cigarette thingies too, what are all those huge clouds of smoke all about, like a bloody steam train going uphill and they are convinced that it is good for them.....

Allowed to use them on Ryanair as long as purchased on board. My mate just puffs his own.

I'm sorry to say that majority were probably outsiders taking advantage of the lax attitude to the smoking restrictions peter. I'll add that given the time of year most outside places were covered. This could have been the problem when outside space is encapsulated in walls with ashtrays on the tables, smokers will smoke. Not sure I came across the ventilation that gus made reference too.

Unfortunately it is probably like spain in that the outside areas , which are covered with awnings & roll up sides, aren't for those who wish to partake of refreshment outside but installed, here anyway ,for the use of smokers as they are not classed as "covered areas" & do not constitute "fixed rooms" as long as they can be moved & aren't attached to the original buildings structure permanently.
No requirement for ventilation here as the wind does it.
What I find difficult to understand is that if it is illegal for a smoker to smoke in a non-smoking area then why isn't it illegal for a non-smoker to be not smoking in a designated smoking area ? Both the same thing.

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I reckon they should ban smoking in smoking areas next

Allowed to use them on Ryanair as long as purchased on board. My mate just puffs his own.

Unfortunately it is probably like spain in that the outside areas , which are covered with awnings & roll up sides, aren't for those who wish to partake of refreshment outside but installed, here anyway ,for the use of smokers as they are not classed as "covered areas" & do not constitute "fixed rooms" as long as they can be moved & aren't attached to the original buildings structure permanently.
No requirement for ventilation here as the wind does it.
What I find difficult to understand is that if it is illegal for a smoker to smoke in a non-smoking area then why isn't it illegal for a non-smoker to be not smoking in a designated smoking area ? Both the same thing.

Nah that will never work. How are non-smokers going to get to the non smoking areas without putting themselves in danger of Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Maneuvering themselves through smoke and ash filled awning enclosures would put all at risk. I think a sealed container at the end of the garden with filtered extraction would be appropriate..

 

[Snowbird]

I just love a good smoking thread. Not many of us about nowadays . Ever likely the UK is in such a mess with all these non smokers not paying tobacco tax. The revenue has to come from somewhere and I am feeling the burden of supporting all you non smokers alone. Just bear a thought for the smokers, as without them you healthy people would have to pay more taxes .

 

[buttons]

I reckon they should ban smoking in smoking areas next

I cant see her being that cruel as to ban you from smoking in the garden...

 

[gus-lopez]

Nah that will never work. How are non-smokers going to get to the non smoking areas without putting themselves in danger of Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Maneuvering themselves through smoke and ash filled awning enclosures would put all at risk. I think a sealed container at the end of the garden with filtered extraction would be appropriate..

All the places I frequent have more than one way in.+the smoking areas also have there own serving window/counter

 

[buttons]

I just love a good smoking thread. Not many of us about nowadays . Ever likely the UK is in such a mess with all these non smokers not paying tobacco tax. The revenue has to come from somewhere and I am feeling the burden of supporting all you non smokers alone. Just bear a thought for the smokers, as without them you healthy people would have to pay more taxes .

Not a problem Snowbird, e-cigarette taxation will soon become the main funder for the NHS. The authorities have already reduces the quantity of the liquid allowed for purchase ready for the introduction of vat and purchase tax for all transactions of liquid form overseas.

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[buttons]

All the places I frequent have more than one way in.+the smoking areas also have there own serving window/counter

The hatch is possibly there to protect the staff when serving

 

[Robin McHood]

The usual European nonsense, Brussels makes the rules for the whole of Europe but only Britain take any notice.

Rubbish, nothing to do with the EU, need to stop reading the Daily Fail...

 

[Robin McHood]

https://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/smoke-free_environments_en

Aye, try reading it -
Currently, 17 EU countries have comprehensive smoke-free laws in place. Among these, Ireland, the UK, Greece, Bulgaria, Malta, Spain and Hungary have the strictest smoke-free provisions with a complete ban on smoking in enclosed public places, on public transport and in workplaces, with only limited exceptions allowed.

So, nothing to do with the EU only a RECOMMENDATION agreed by ALL 28 states including the UK to protect their citizens..

There's plenty of actual things you might complain about the EU, this isn't a thing....

 

[Cat53]

Aye, try reading it -
Currently, 17 EU countries have comprehensive smoke-free laws in place. Among these, Ireland, the UK, Greece, Bulgaria, Malta, Spain and Hungary have the strictest smoke-free provisions with a complete ban on smoking in enclosed public places, on public transport and in workplaces, with only limited exceptions allowed.

So, nothing to do with the EU only a RECOMMENDATION agreed by ALL 28 states including the UK to protect their citizens..

There's plenty of actual things you might complain about the EU, this isn't a thing....

Hey! I merely posted the facts, I didn't comment and I did read it. And for once was not EU bashing. So (saying it politely) wind your neck in!

 

[Snowbird]

Not a problem Snowbird, e-cigarette taxation will soon become the main funder for the NHS. The authorities have already reduces the quantity of the liquid allowed for purchase ready for the introduction of vat and purchase tax for all transactions of liquid form overseas.

I dont understand all this e-cigarette nonsense. Its a substitute for tobacco. I wouldn't drink substitute gin, so why on earth would I smoke substitute tobacco. The worlds gone bloody mad. Anyway, am off to eat my dinner followed with a nice Don Sebastian.

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[irnbru]

Not Portugal but a good wee smoking ban song none the less.

 

[Chris]

They should ban sex as well I think.

And anything else that's enjoyable

 

[Robin McHood]

1st July 2007 is a memorable day in history when smoking in all enclosed work places in England became illegal as a consequence of the Health Act 2006. Goes to prove that sometimes a big stick is the only thing that some people understand..

Always nice when our English chums follow our example.
Scottish Act 30 June 2005 in force 26 March 2006. As you say, a memorable day in history...opposed only by the Tories.... well that was a surprise

 

[Robin McHood]

Hey! I merely posted the facts, I didn't comment and I did read it. And for once was not EU bashing. So (saying it politely) wind your neck in!

You're right, neck wound in, well a wee bit anyway. Did, not bashing the EU, hurt at all? I hope not

 

[Cat53]

You're right, neck wound in, well a wee bit anyway. Did, not bashing the EU, hurt at all? I hope not

Haha......just a bit!

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