weight

[walter senior]

can some one tell me what the weight of my 1991 Talbot express1500d is as kerb weight. the weights I have are 3100kg. 4500kg. 1-1550kg. 2-1700kg. thanks . Walter.

 

[Northernraider]

Max weight 3100
Total weight including any trailer 4500
Front axle 1550
Rear axle 1700

 

[Mikeco]

The only weight you need to know is when it’s fully loaded and that means a trip to the weigh bridge, hopefully it will be no more than 3100kg

 

[Northernraider]

The only weight you need to know is when it’s fully loaded and that means a trip to the weigh bridge, hopefully it will be no more than 3100kg

Not really

Cause if he has 1900kg over rear axle but still under 3100

Its overloaded

 

[Madcaravanner]

The only weight you need to know is when it’s fully loaded and that means a trip to the weigh bridge, hopefully it will be no more than 3100kg

You need to take note of ALL the three main weights (both axles and max) as now if you are unlucky in the UK or France (not sure of Spain and Germany ) but the Police /Gendarmes (and DVLA) are now doing spot checks with mobile electronic scales and if you are over then you get escorted to a proper weigh station and weighed

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[pappajohn]

The only way you'll get a true kerb/curb? weight is remove EVERYTHING not fixed down including yourself, empty all tanks and visit a weighbridge.
That is your kerb weight. (different thing to Unladen weight)
Unladen weight is the same but add 75kg driver, 90% fuel, water and a gas bottle....
EVERYTHING added after that is payload Inc towbar, sat dish, solar panel, awning etc

 

[pandas]

90% water?

 

[Lenny HB]

Unladen weight is the same but add 75kg driver, 90% fuel, water and a gas bottle....
EVERYTHING added after that is payload Inc towbar, sat dish, solar panel, awning etc

Unladen weight is the dry weight of the vehicle.
When you add in allowances it is the MIRO ( mass in running order).
The EU recommend MIRO includes a driver at 75kg, 90% fuel, 20 Lt water & 1 X 11 kg Aluminium gas bottle but most of the Brit manufacturers have their own variation on it.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

The only way you'll get a true kerb/curb? weight is remove EVERYTHING not fixed down including yourself, empty all tanks and visit a weighbridge.
That is your kerb weight. (different thing to Unladen weight)
Unladen weight is the same but add 75kg driver, 90% fuel, water and a gas bottle....
EVERYTHING added after that is payload Inc towbar, sat dish, solar panel, awning etc

Wrong
As above- Unladen weight is as Lenny's post

 

[tonyidle]

I'm surprised anyone worries about unladen weight. It appears to be one of the mysteries surrounding motorhome construction and I've never seen an official version of it. It is not the same as the weight of the motorhome before you (or the converter, or the dealer) starts to load it. The only weight that matters is MIRO and from that payload and it's an unfortunate fact that the only accurate method to determine payload is to work backwards. It's an act of faith tempered by research and attempting to pin down the dealer if trying to determine payload in advance. If you believe payload will be limited you need to insist that the dealer weighs it as is followed by you calculating your needs before purchase.

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[pappajohn]

Unladen weight is the dry weight of the vehicle.
When you add in allowances it is the MIRO ( mass in running order).
The EU recommend MIRO includes a driver at 75kg, 90% fuel, 20 Lt water & 1 X 11 kg Aluminium gas bottle but most of the Brit manufacturers have their own variation on it.

Call it what you want Lenny, before the EU tossers we didn't have MIRO, we had curb and Unladen.
Curb weight... As the wheels touched tarmac off the production line
Unladen....ready to drive minus any cargo.

I'll use my definition, you use yours.

 

[gus-lopez]

It is not the same as the weight of the motorhome before you (or the converter, or the dealer) starts to load it.

It is here. weight of chassis cab ,or even just the front part minus rear chassis if an alko being fitted, before installation of any bodywork.

 

[Stroppy Bird]

I'm surprised anyone worries about unladen weight.

Although it is what actually dictates the speed limits that are applicable in the UK. 60,70,70 for unladen less than 3.05 tonnes or 50,60,70 for vehicles with unladen weight greater than 3.05 tonnes.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

 

[pappajohn]

The Government's interpretation of Unladen doesn't stipulate driver, driver weight or quantity of fuel, water or gas bottles... That is an imaginary weight from the converters documentation.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained

And apologies for using the American version of Kerb in previous posts.

 

[pappajohn]

Although it is what actually dictates the speed limits that are applicable in the UK. 60,70,70 for unladen less than 3.05 tonnes or 50,60,70 for vehicles with unladen weight greater than 3.05 tonnes.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

Innocent until proven guilty still stands in the UK I believe..... Who will and how can it be prove you are over 3.05t when finding the info is proving impossible.

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[Lenny HB]

Innocent until proven guilty still stands in the UK I believe..... Who will and how can it be prove you are over 3.05t when finding the info is proving impossible.

Quite easy to find but difficult to prove.
Take the Technical mass from the C of C ( this will include manufacturers fitted options), deduct manufacturers allowances for MIRO and leisure batteries then add weight of dealer and DIY fitted extras.

 

[tonyidle]

It is here. weight of chassis cab ,or even just the front part minus rear chassis if an alko being fitted, before installation of any bodywork.

Although it is what actually dictates the speed limits that are applicable in the UK. 60,70,70 for unladen less than 3.05 tonnes or 50,60,70 for vehicles with unladen weight greater than 3.05 tonnes.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

I agree with both of you - but just try to find it for your motorhome. My point is that there is no readily available and accurate unloaded weight for a motorhome - be useful if there was - so research and MIRO are more useful to motorhome users.

 

[tonyidle]

Quite easy to find but difficult to prove.
Take the Technical mass from the C of C ( this will include manufacturers fitted options), deduct manufacturers allowances for MIRO and leisure batteries then add weight of dealer and DIY fitted extras.

That might be factual but quite likely all that will be recognised by the Law is a piece of paper from a recognised supplier - be it OEM or converter - that states the actual on-the-road Unladen Weight.

 

[pappajohn]

Quite easy to find

Not in writing it isn't.... I don't think a magistrate will be interested in theoretical equations in a technical speeding case... On the other hand, written proof your Unladen mass is below 3.05t cannot be argued with. Case dismissed.

 

[pandas]

Very slim chance of getting stopped and weighed!

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[Lenny HB]

Not in writing it isn't.... I don't think a magistrate will be interested in theoretical equations in a technical speeding case... On the other hand, written proof your Unladen mass is below 3.05t cannot be argued with. Case dismissed.

I did say difficult to prove.

 

[peterc10]

I'm surprised anyone worries about unladen weight. It appears to be one of the mysteries surrounding motorhome construction and I've never seen an official version of it. It is not the same as the weight of the motorhome before you (or the converter, or the dealer) starts to load it. The only weight that matters is MIRO and from that payload and it's an unfortunate fact that the only accurate method to determine payload is to work backwards. It's an act of faith tempered by research and attempting to pin down the dealer if trying to determine payload in advance. If you believe payload will be limited you need to insist that the dealer weighs it as is followed by you calculating your needs before purchase.

Unladen weight decides the speed limits that apply to your motorhome. Could be important if you are caught doing 70mph on a dual carriageway in the motorhome. Illegal if your unladen weight is over 3050k; legal if it is at or under. But don't ask me how it is calculated or what the unladen weight of my Hymer is. But if you are caught you do not have to prove the unladen weight is under 3050; the police have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is over.

 

[Tude]

Who does 70mph ?? not me

 

[Lenny HB]

Who does 70mph ?? not me

Why not?

 

[Tude]

Cos I’m paying for diesel and I plan so I’m not in a rush

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