Weight rating plates and V5 - HELP!

[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

Hi and sorry if this has been done to death already, but please look at he pictures of my rating plates under the bonnet and the entry in the V5. I need a definitive and unambiguous explanation of each. You will see that some are Fiat numbers and some are Alko Numbers (Alko chassis).

The M/H is a 2017 Swift 684 "champagne" from Brownhills. I think it currently has a 3500kg upper limit and that will be fine if I lose my entitlement to drive heavier M/H after I am 70 (3 /2yrs). It has additions from the basic "Escape" and I am trying to get to a true loading figure based on what I have. I Know I need to ask the dealer how much the options have reduced my payload by and I have bought a Reich Caravan scale but that arrived DOA and I am awaiting a resolution to that.

Do these numbers mean I can have the vehicle uprated with a paper exercise and subsequently downrated if I need to after I am 70?

Appreciate your informed input. Thanks

Dennis

 

[Kingham]

No pics !

 

[2657]

Hi and sorry if this has been done to death already, but please look at he pictures of my rating plates under the bonnet and the entry in the V5. I need a definitive and unambiguous explanation of each. You will see that some are Fiat numbers and some are Alko Numbers (Alko chassis).

The M/H is a 2017 Swift 684 "champagne" from Brownhills. I think it currently has a 3500kg upper limit and that will be fine if I lose my entitlement to drive heavier M/H after I am 70 (3 /2yrs). It has additions from the basic "Escape" and I am trying to get to a true loading figure based on what I have. I Know I need to ask the dealer how much the options have reduced my payload by and I have bought a Reich Caravan scale but that arrived DOA and I am awaiting a resolution to that.

Do these numbers mean I can have the vehicle uprated with a paper exercise and subsequently downrated if I need to after I am 70?

Appreciate your informed input. Thanks

Dennis

No Pics!!

 

[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

oops here are the pictures.

 

[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

wow, you guys are quick. Dogs were demanding feeding so missed the last step

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[Deleted member 29692]

There's a another plate somewhere, the final one which would have bene fitted by Swift. That's the important one, it supersedes both of the ones you've found. It might not be under the bonnet, try the door pillars. It will look similar though.

You're correct that your current maximum is 3500kg. You probably won't have very much payload at all.

Do NOT trust what either the manufacturer or the dealer (especially the dealer) tell you about the actual weight of the motorhome. You need weigh bridge tickets for the total and for each axle once all the extras are fitted and it's ready to go. If the dealer won't cooperate with getting them, or if they try and talk you out of it, then that tells you all you need to know.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

The maximum payload is 585kg according to this :

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/buyers-guide/motorhomes/details/684/133875

As others have stated, a weighbridge ticket will prove the facts.

 

[Allanm]

Your revenue weight, shown on the V5 is the one that counts, and as Nick says, there should be a plate from Swift which should match the revenue weight. We have a Swift and have 2 plates, one is the original from the manufacturer ( ours isn't on an AlKo chassis so don't have the Alko plate) the other is from Swift.
Unfortunately, we don't have a revenue weight shown on the V5, so go with the Swift plate.

 

[Badknee]

If you get pulled and weighed the V5 is what they will go by. I would say right now your at 3500 unless you can find another V5 as if your Moho has been uprated it should have an uprated V5. I'm in possession of two as I sent a copy away as I don't trust DVLA.
So I would say Alko sticker is max for their chassis, Fiat is max for their bit and V5 is what you can legally weigh right now this minute.
If your happy to stick at 3500 you deffo need to know what your empty Moho weighs.

 

[Kingham]

oops here are the pictures.

I know I'm probably OTT with being careful about putting personal identifiers on to public forums, names, addresses, registration numbers, chassis numbers etc etc, but you're putting a lot of info out there for grabs.

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[tonyidle]

The plates to me look unambiguous: the Fiat plate has been superseded by the Alko plate and that should be reflected in the logbook entry.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

The plates to me look unambiguous: the Fiat plate has been superseded by the Alko plate and that should be reflected in the logbook entry.

Alko is just a modified chassis. There will be a converters (Swift) plate somewhere that supersedes the Alko one.

 

[Emmit]

The plates to me look unambiguous: the Fiat plate has been superseded by the Alko plate and that should be reflected in the logbook entry.

Except it isn't Tony. The V5 shows 3500Kgs.

 

[mitzimad]

most likley swift have downgraded to 3500 to widen the possible market

 

[Gerby]

I know I'm probably OTT with being careful about putting personal identifiers on to public forums, names, addresses, registration numbers, chassis numbers etc etc, but you're putting a lot of info out there for grabs.

Hi @Dare_Devil_Dennis in line with Kingham I would suggest editing your post photo to obscure info not relevant to the question, remember this is a very popular publicly viewable forum.

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[Emmit]

Officially 'somewhere' there should be a plate on the 'van showing your V5 MGW of 3500Kgs but that could have been removed.
I've not had to do what you may need to do and, someone could come along with more knowledge than I, but could I suggest starting a conversation with DVLA and asking them what they require to get the weight up to 3700Kgs which is on your ALKo Plate (the last one chronologically to be issued.)

They may just require a completed application to be uprated together with a V5 and photos of your weight plates.
If you want more than the present 3700Kgs that is on the plate then I think it may be possible to get the gross weight even higher with the appropriate certificate from the specialists in the field who can be found elsewhere on her.
Good Luck.

 

[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

Thank you all so much. I will follow up

Take your point about too much information but can't see how to edit the pics or even remove them and replace with edited ones.

 

[Kingham]

Thank you all so much. I will follow up

Take your point about too much information but can't see how to edit the pics or even remove them and replace with edited ones.

You may need the assistance of @Jim after this amount of time ?

 

[Baycott]

Thank you all so much. I will follow up

Take your point about too much information but can't see how to edit the pics or even remove them and replace with edited ones.

My Swift rating plate is behind the passenger seat on the end of the bench seat. Yours may be in the same place.

 

[mpdcymru]

If you get pulled and weighed the V5 is what they will go by. I would say right now your at 3500 unless you can find another V5 as if your Moho has been uprated it should have an uprated V5. I'm in possession of two as I sent a copy away as I don't trust DVLA.
So I would say Alko sticker is max for their chassis, Fiat is max for their bit and V5 is what you can legally weigh right now this minute.
If your happy to stick at 3500 you deffo need to know what your empty Moho weighs.

Not so sure about this. Certainly in the UK, DVSA, police and Trading Standards would look at the "plate" affixed to the vehicle in terms of any Construction & Use offences (overweight) - they almost certainly would not have access to the V5 information (unless you proferred it to them at the time) and, because the weight information is readily available to them from the vehicle, would not need to contact DVLA.

The matter does however need clarifying as, from what has been said here, the "plated" weight and that recorded on the V5 do not tally (and they should).

If the weight is in excess of 3,500 kgs you are technically in the wrong tax class, it should be private HGV rather than PLG. Not many enforcement authorities would be concerned about this however since the PLG rate is higher than that for Private HGV.

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[magicsurfbus]

@Dare_Devil_Dennis - Our 2017 Swift converter's plate is in the open cubby hole up above the driver's seat, between the cab ceiling trim and the start of the lockers. Don't know if yours is a similar configuration but I'm basically saying search high rather than low.