We can't understand the rules Schengen rules.

[MikenSue]

We need the sun in our advanced years and so motorhome in Spain for the whole of February, March and April. My Question is, are we allowed to go to Germany for September without it affecting our ability to visit Spain next February to April inclusive? We have become so confused.

 

[Spriddler]

Schengen Calculator

Good afternoon, Can anyone recommend an easy to use Schengen Calculator. I've tried several, but am unsure, because I want to do 2 trips to the Eu this year, and seem to get conflicting results

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[gpat]

Yes. You will be fine as its more than 6 months

 

[DBK]

We need the sun in our advanced years and so motorhome in Spain for the whole of February, March and April. My Question is, are we allowed to go to Germany for September without it affecting our ability to visit Spain next February to April inclusive? We have become so confused.

You just need a break of 90 days between the two trips which from your dates you would. After 90 days back in the UK the Schengen clock resets so you can go back for another 90 days.

 

[PaulW2]

We need the sun in our advanced years and so motorhome in Spain for the whole of February, March and April. My Question is, are we allowed to go to Germany for September without it affecting our ability to visit Spain next February to April inclusive? We have become so confused.

You should be able to on the 90/180 rule. On a rolling basis, as I understand it, you can't spend more than 90 days in 180 in the EU.

So Feb-Apr 24 pretty much uses it up. Then by the end of August you have used up 60 days (with Feb dropping out).

Then you're in Germany in September. Every day you spend there one day in March drops out of the 180 day calculator. By the end of Sep you are therefore still in a roughly 60 days 'consumed' position (April and September).

Then by the end of October April has dropped out and you've only been in the EU for 30 days in the 180. Come the end of January you're still on 30. Then in Feb you return to the EU. Every day you spend in Feb and early March a day in September drops out of the 180 day cycle. By the time the end of April 2025 comes around you're pretty much back at the 90 days used position.

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[Scully]

Try
ninety180.com

Enter all your dates you have been/ are going to be away and it will show you the number of days you will have left through out the calendar. Really easy to use once you get your head around what it is showing you.

 

[Scully]

Sorry, it shows the number of days used, not what is left.

 

[Hems]

use https://www.visa-calculator.com/
1st - 30th September 2024, then 1st Feb 2025 until 30th April 2025 is ok

You can create an account to keep track of all dates in and out of EU.
Hope this helps.

 

[Razamataz]

Don’t stress it.
You don’t have to understand how it works.
Just use the calculator…….dead simple

 

[scotzsue]

Friends also confused as going back and forward a bit this year, showed them the above calculator and they were so pleased as they could spend longer with their son than they had thought.

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[Nigel Crompton]

You should be able to on the 90/180 rule. On a rolling basis, as I understand it, you can't spend more than 90 days in 180 in the EU.

So Feb-Apr 24 pretty much uses it up. Then by the end of August you have used up 60 days (with Feb dropping out).

Then you're in Germany in September. Every day you spend there one day in March drops out of the 180 day calculator. By the end of Sep you are therefore still in a roughly 60 days 'consumed' position (April and September).

Then by the end of October April has dropped out and you've only been in the EU for 30 days in the 180. Come the end of January you're still on 30. Then in Feb you return to the EU. Every day you spend in Feb and early March a day in September drops out of the 180 day cycle. By the time the end of April 2025 comes around you're pretty much back at the 90 days used position.

I used to understand this. Not so sure now .....

 

[Trevor Wbm]

Sorry, it shows the number of days used, not what is left.

I'm looking at my 90/180 App now, and it's showing days left.

 

[JockandRita]

So Feb-Apr 24 pretty much uses it up. Then by the end of August you have used up 60 days (with Feb dropping out).

What happened to May/June/July?
Technically at the end of July, they are clear for another 90 x days surely?

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Sdrawde]

We also found it all very confusing until we downloaded a Schengen app on our phone.

By using the app we could see plainly what was happening with dates we had already planned to go to Spain and any possible future trips we hope to make to Portugal.

It became clear that if you go for a month or two, and then came back for a month or two, that it's virtually impossible to run out of dates for which you want to travel.

Have a good at downloading one of those apps.
They are all free.

 

[PaulW2]

What happened to May/June/July?
Technically at the end of July, they are clear for another 90 x days surely?

Cheers,

Jock.

The way I understand it is you look back at the last 180 days? You can't have spent more than 90 days.

So Feb/Mar/Apr is - call it 90 for simplicity. Then you're full. May/Jun/July happen. That's another 90 days. Over the last 180 by the end of July you were there for 90.

But you are right, in that in Aug-Oct you will drop one of your earlier days out for every one you spend in Europe, so can spend 90 days.

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[Razamataz]

Hope that’s clear
?????
Just use a calculator

 

[EuroTrotters]

Try
ninety180.com

Enter all your dates you have been/ are going to be away and it will show you the number of days you will have left through out the calendar. Really easy to use once you get your head around what it is showing you.

That site has stopped working for me

 

[seasideBill]

We also found it all very confusing until we downloaded a Schengen app on our phone.

By using the app we could see plainly what was happening with dates we had already planned to go to Spain and any possible future trips we hope to make to Portugal.

It became clear that if you go for a month or two, and then came back for a month or two, that it's virtually impossible to run out of dates for which you want to travel.

Have a good at downloading one of those apps.
They are all free.

Sounds like the App I use, works really well.

 

[GerTee]

Another vote for https://ninety180.com/

Makes it very easy to see what your status is.

 

[BrochMike]

use https://www.visa-calculator.com/
1st - 30th September 2024, then 1st Feb 2025 until 30th April 2025 is ok

You can create an account to keep track of all dates in and out of EU.
Hope this helps.View attachment 939864

Although 90 days is 'permitted', you might want to plan your return to leave a couple of days in hand for emergencies (eg. Breakdown) rather than risk facing a fine or being excluded from returning for a potentially long time...

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[Northernraider]

You should be able to on the 90/180 rule. On a rolling basis, as I understand it, you can't spend more than 90 days in 180 in the EU.

So Feb-Apr 24 pretty much uses it up. Then by the end of August you have used up 60 days (with Feb dropping out).

Then you're in Germany in September. Every day you spend there one day in March drops out of the 180 day calculator. By the end of Sep you are therefore still in a roughly 60 days 'consumed' position (April and September).

Then by the end of October April has dropped out and you've only been in the EU for 30 days in the 180. Come the end of January you're still on 30. Then in Feb you return to the EU. Every day you spend in Feb and early March a day in September drops out of the 180 day cycle. By the time the end of April 2025 comes around you're pretty much back at the 90 days used position.

Eh?

If they returned to UK end of April then may ,June July is 90 days .. could enter shengen again start of August.

I returned from Europe 28th July...spending August September October in UK and I'm re entering shengen start of November

 

[JockandRita]

Eh?

If they returned to UK end of April then may ,June July is 90 days .. could enter shengen again start of August.

I returned from Europe 28th July...spending August September October in UK and I'm re entering shengen start of November

That's where I was coming from too Tam.

Cheers,

Jock.