Ulez coming to Scotland

jongood said:
M e too, I'm deeply sceptical of the environmental arguments for scrapping a perfectly servicable motorhome to replace with a newly manufactured one that has marginally better emissions
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Why would you bother though Jon as most of the zones are places you wouldn't want to be with a motorhome anyway, if we are going North we would go either side of Newcastle for example not though the middle likewise Birmingham, the people that are going to suffer are those that live inside zones and the trades that want to do business in the zone and are having a hard enough time already without being told you have to buy a new van and then just hope we don't change the goalposts in a few years.
 
Brains said:
You can do the same search as me
port name and then ULEZ

Felixstow
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And there is nothing stopping anyone driving a non compliant vehicle into a port area
You can’t be arrested for it
So what If it contravenes any air quality rules ? At worst you’ll either pay a fine or pay a daily charge
Wouldn’t stop me if I wanted to sail out and back

Your link only relates to the port Felixstowe

BTW where is it you live
London area
Well you’ll be affected by any future legalisation long before i will since I live in a rural part of the country where the Air quality is always good and we never have a shortage of water unlike the parched S.E
 
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funflair said:
Why would you bother though Jon as most of the zones are places you wouldn't want to be with a motorhome anyway, if we are going North we would go either side of Newcastle for example not though the middle likewise Birmingham, the people that are going to suffer are those that live inside zones and the trades that want to do business in the zone and are having a hard enough time already without being told you have to buy a new van and then just hope we don't change the goalposts in a few years.
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I agree that it won't affect me much but I can't help but feel sorry for people with perfectly servicable vehicles who happen to live the wrong side of a line on a map.
 
Brains said:
You can do the same search as me
port name and then ULEZ

Felixstow
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Why that comes up with Felixstowe I really don't know as its actually North Woolwich and Royal Albert Dock out into the Thames so all part of London LEZ and somewhere else I don't want to be in my motorhome even thought it would most likely be allowed.

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jongood said:
I agree that it won't affect me much but I can't help but feel sorry for people with perfectly servicable vehicles who happen to live the wrong side of a line on a map.
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That's the annoying thing .

Complete madness to take perfectly functioning vehicles and appliances to the scrap to support commercialism
 
Neil S said:
And there is nothing stopping anyone driving a non compliant vehicle into a port area
You can’t be arrested for it
So what If it contravenes any air quality rules ? At worst you’ll either pay a fine or pay a daily charge
Wouldn’t stop me if I wanted to sail out and back

Your link only relates to the port Felixstowe

BTW where is it you live
London area
Well you’ll be affected by any future legalisation long before i will since I live in a rural part of the country where the Air quality is always good and we never have a shortage of water unlike the parched S.E
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The link actually relates to London ;)
 
Just out of interest, I wondered what charge I would pay to go into the ULEZ in London.

Our 2010 Boxer would be charged £12.50. I then checked the Vario. £300 :LOL:

Not that I care as I've not driven into a major city in years and have no plan to.
 
Neil S said:
Your right I had just read it on my 5" phone screen and didn’t look to closely at the map after reading it referred to Felixstowe
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As far as I know Felixstowe has no restrictions (y)

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Brains said:
ULEZ's will be coming to every city and most major towns right across the UK and EU over the next 5 years.

If you have a pre Euro6/2016 Diesel engine in your M/H you need to be thinking of an upgrade pretty fast.
Certainly within 2023.

The resale value of pre 2016 diesels is already heading downwards from the spring 22 peak.
They could be borderline worthless within 3-5 years as they will be limited to non-urban main roads.

This maybe OK if you live and tour around NW Scotland, but even to get an MOT will mean going into a town at least once a year. Driving abroad will become impossible, as all of the ports will be covered by a ULEZ.
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Brains

I will just take you up on a couple of your reasons why one should upgrade.

Many of us only drive on non-urban roads by choice so, no change there.

Another poster has already given examples of non-LEZ MOT stations, and others might open up.

As for ports, Portsmouth has implemented an LEZ, but it excludes the route to the port. They do not want to lose that revenue. Other examples of routes which are excluded: if one drives on the A4/ E40 through the LEZ in Essen that road is exempt. I could find other examples,

There will eventually be the cost of installing and maintaining so many ANPR cameras plus their connection to the computers to track the validity of vehicles, that I suspect that either the system will implode, or the fine rate will become so low that some insider will blow the whistle and thereafter the system will be ignored by the majority. A bit like the French do with some of their laws.

By the time they have implemented, tested and ironed out glitches in these systems the majority of the offending vehicle will have been exchanged, leaving only a few old cars and MHs to be caught, even if they stray into the LRZs. Cost/benefit analysis might kick in for many Councils, and the enforcement scrapped.
 
Southampton thought about implementing LEZ But abandoned it as it was totally impracticable with the volumes of Port Traffic. Portsmouth has implemented one but does not include access to and from the Docks. Fear no travellers!
 
funflair said:
Why would you bother though Jon as most of the zones are places you wouldn't want to be with a motorhome anyway, if we are going North we would go either side of Newcastle for example not though the middle likewise Birmingham, the people that are going to suffer are those that live inside zones and the trades that want to do business in the zone and are having a hard enough time already without being told you have to buy a new van and then just hope we don't change the goalposts in a few years.
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As happened to me.

I have a letter from Tfl stating that my MH is compliant. I now shows as 'non-compliant' because they changed the definitions.

I am minded to write to them to ascertain whether the legislation permitted them to change the rules retrospectively. Even if the answer is 'yes' my stance would be that under the principles of English Law they are estopped from rescinding the 'Compliant category that they assigned to my MH.
 
Gellyneck said:
When was it first announced for Glasgow?

Can't open the link but guess it's final implementation of the plan that was published a number of years ago.

From memory it only really takes in the city centre which is a one way system nightmare anyway.

Guess we're just well behind other UK areas that have already introduced these zones.
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I remember hearing the announcement in 2017 while we were making up our mind which van we were going to buy. It stated that 39 towns/cities in the UK were going to become LEZ. This completely changed our thinking and intended budget. My thinking initially was to buy an older van but emissions became a big issue on the news. We had spent 2 years doing our homework.

If we bought an older van, would I be able to sell it because of where we could and could not take it?
After much consideration it was going to be a much newer or new van or no van. We had set our heart on a 2 berth 6 or 7 year old monocoque Autosleeper but discovered that we could get new Elddis Accordo 105 for the same price. Not only would we get the latest Euro6 engine (emissions) but also a 10 year water ingress warranty. It was a no brainer.
Four and a half years later we've no regrets, the layout and payload is perfect. We got it right first time, whats more it's now worth more than we paid for it (y)
 
As an aside the centre of Edinburgh is much more pleasant with the reduced amount of vehicles.
Still lots of buses but Lothian buses which have most of them do have an up to date fleet.
Everyone claims to be environmental concerned till it impacts on them. :rolleyes:

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There seems to be a lot of confusion in peoples' post between the LEZ, the ULEZ and the Congestion Zone.

Some people talk about paying the ULEZ charge but ignoring the fact that to reach the ULEZ one has to transit the LEZ at £100 a day in addition to the ULEZ charge.

People need to do more research.
 
Bradford starts their ULEZ this month.
Would I go to Bradford in my motorhome? NO.
Even if I had to route via it, I would sooner not and choose an alternative.
The standard of driving is probably the worst in the UK in my opinion.
Would I change my motorhome because of it? No.
 
jongood said:
M e too, I'm deeply sceptical of the environmental arguments for scrapping a perfectly servicable motorhome to replace with a newly manufactured one that has marginally better emissions
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My son had a lovely 1997 Rover 25 which had been passed on through four of us in the family from new but wanted something a bit more 'sporty'.
Since there wasn't anyone else in the family to pass it on to he scrapped it to get the £2000 benefit under the 2009 Government's (budgeted £300 million) scrappage scheme. Cars had to be MOT'd to qualify but his had run out the week before he planned to scrap it so had it done and it passed without any Advisories. Such a waste of a perfectly good vehicle.
 
Gellyneck said:
When was it first announced for Glasgow?

Can't open the link but guess it's final implementation of the plan that was published a number of years ago.

From memory it only really takes in the city centre which is a one way system nightmare anyway.

Guess we're just well behind other UK areas that have already introduced these zones.
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May be wrong... and in my view a bit of a joke in Glasgow, if I read it correctly.
You can drive on the M 8 over Kingstone Bridge going East and through the center of Glasgow and you are outside the Zone... However turn right after Kingstone Bridge and go 100 yards you are in the zone.
Also same as the M74 going East after the M 8 you ok... but don't turn off to the left.. you end up.in the "Zone".
Does pollution know these bounderies lines ????
 
poppycamper said:
May be wrong... and in my view a bit of a joke in Glasgow, if I read it correctly.
You can drive on the M 8 over Kingstone Bridge going East and through the center of Glasgow and you are outside the Zone... However turn right after Kingstone Bridge and go 100 yards you are in the zone.
Also same as the M74 going East after the M 8 you ok... but don't turn off to the left.. you end up.in the "Zone".
Does pollution know these bounderies lines ????
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The problem with the mate is that it's so close to and 50 feet above the city centre. My lasting image of the city centre was 15 or so double decker buses coming down Renfield Street in a procession at any time of day and being unable to breath because of the fumes. That was 20 years ago, don't know how it is now. :(

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Wee Bold Davy said:
The problem with the mate is that it's so close to and 50 feet above the city centre. My lasting image of the city centre was 15 or so double decker buses coming down Renfield Street in a procession at any time of day and being unable to breath because of the fumes. That was 20 years ago, don't know how it is now. :(
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Yes that is my point... the m 8 and m74 which are not in the zone (yet) are only 100 yds from the city center ULEZ.
To be effective they will need to be included in the zone (or dare I say) close and reroute both motorways....NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
As regards to Renfield Street and others pollution nowhere near as bad as you rmbr.
 
My mate has his own trucking business, if he can’t avoid going into these areas he just pays the fine …..which he passes the cost of such onto the customer when quoting for the job …. defeats the purpose of these zones ,I guess it may be the same for many of these businesses who can’t just go out and buy new trucks, unfortunate for us as customers who have to pay more for goods.
 
poppycamper said:
May be wrong... and in my view a bit of a joke in Glasgow, if I read it correctly.
You can drive on the M 8 over Kingstone Bridge going East and through the center of Glasgow and you are outside the Zone... However turn right after Kingstone Bridge and go 100 yards you are in the zone.
Also same as the M74 going East after the M 8 you ok... but don't turn off to the left.. you end up.in the "Zone".
Does pollution know these bounderies lines ????
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Correct. The motorway network around \ through Glasgow is excluded from the LEZ. Think this may be the same for all motorway networks in other LEZ cities.

The issue for Glasgow LEZ is that forward \ future planning back when the motorway \ Kingston Bridge were constructed, before environmental concerns, was that they would give easy access to the city centre thereby removing the need for travel through suburbs. Not sure this is the same for other LEZ cities.

Planners from all around the world used to visit Glasgow to understand how this was achieved and if similar plans could be implemented in their own locales. Kingston Bridge used to be the busiest bridge in Europe at one time.

Inclusion of the Glasgow motorway network would be impracticable given the above and lack of easy alternative routing.

Wee Bold Davy said:
The problem with the mate is that it's so close to and 50 feet above the city centre. My lasting image of the city centre was 15 or so double decker buses coming down Renfield Street in a procession at any time of day and being unable to breath because of the fumes. That was 20 years ago, don't know how it is now. :(
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As poppycamper says it has improved dramatically and electric powered buses are being rolled out.

ps and they ain't painted in the old Corpy colours either! Apart from one or two that were repainted for some event or other, might have been The Commonwealth Games?
 
Gellyneck said:
Correct. The motorway network around \ through Glasgow is excluded from the LEZ. Think this may be the same for all motorway networks in other LEZ cities.

The issue for Glasgow LEZ is that forward \ future planning back when the motorway \ Kingston Bridge were constructed, before environmental concerns, was that they would give easy access to the city centre thereby removing the need for travel through suburbs. Not sure this is the same for other LEZ cities.

Planners from all around the world used to visit Glasgow to understand how this was achieved and if similar plans could be implemented in their own locales. Kingston Bridge used to be the busiest bridge in Europe at one time.

Inclusion of the Glasgow motorway network would be impracticable given the above and lack of easy alternative routing.


As poppycamper says it has improved dramatically and electric powered buses are being rolled out.

ps and they ain't painted in the old Corpy colours either! Apart from one or two that were repainted for some event or other, might have been The Commonwealth Games?
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Bringing back memories of home

 
poppycamper said:
Glasgow Cooperation Tramways used to have one of the largest tram systems in Europe... ??
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I can remember the trolleybuses but was never on a tram in Glasgow unless you want to count the one at the old Museum of Transport (y)
 
Wee Bold Davy said:
I can remember the trolleybuses but was never on a tram in Glasgow unless you want to count the one at the old Museum of Transport (y)
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I believe Wee Bold Davy the trolleybuses were also referred as "trams" .
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong... I do find this subject very interesting and although not from Glasgow.. Ayrshire ain't a million miles away.
 
Brains said:
ULEZ's will be coming to every city and most major towns right across the UK and EU over the next 5 years.

If you have a pre Euro6/2016 Diesel engine in your M/H you need to be thinking of an upgrade pretty fast.
Certainly within 2023.

The resale value of pre 2016 diesels is already heading downwards from the spring 22 peak.
They could be borderline worthless within 3-5 years as they will be limited to non-urban main roads.

This maybe OK if you live and tour around NW Scotland, but even to get an MOT will mean going into a town at least once a year. Driving abroad will become impossible, as all of the ports will be covered by a ULEZ.
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Don't know how you work this out, our van is 2008 and I have no fear of it not still being legal as long as I need it, it gets tested a mile down the road nowhere near a town, show me these worthless vans , I'll willingly buy them up.
 
chaser said:
Don't know how you work this out, our van is 2008 and I have no fear of it not still being legal as long as I need it, it gets tested a mile down the road nowhere near a town, show me these worthless vans , I'll willingly buy them up.
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Exactly I’ve never heard so much scaremongering rubbish.
 
poppycamper said:
I believe Wee Bold Davy the trolleybuses were also referred as "trams" .
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong... I do find this subject very interesting and although not from Glasgow.. Ayrshire ain't a million miles away.
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I've never heard of them being referred to as trams. To me a tram ran on rails and a trolleybus was an electric bus which got its power from overhead power lines. Saying that, trams were before my time so it is possible (y)

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