Travellers in Tesco etc

[Puddleduck]

From the Daily Mail so take with a large dose of disbelief

Travellers invaded Tesco car park then went on rampage https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tml?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

 

[Just smiffy]

Looks like a funsters meet….

 

[oldiesontour]

Send the tax man in ....watch them disappear
Or the proceeds of crime team !

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

They are a law unto themselves. We've got a travellers site close to town which regularly gets raided by police, and often large amounts of drugs are seized. Many are banned from local shops and supermarkets. Only last week, my wife was in Aldi and she noticed a young boy of around 6 or 7 pushing a trolley around. It turned out that the boy had a shopping list and had drawn attention to himself by asking a staff member where he could find something. She alerted her manager who approached the boy and asked why he was shopping on his own. Apparently he replied that his mum wasn't allowed in the store and was waiting outside. He had no money. Did she intend to pay? Who knows

 

[GJH]

He had no money. Did she intend to pay? Who knows

Don't rush to judgement. He may have been in training to be an FLT when he grows up

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[herald_400rl]

I got into a rather heated debate at an old job re the travelling community. They moved into a local leisure centres carpark and made use of the facilities for free, left rubbish everywhere and threatened/intimidated people trying to park around them. When I suggested they should be moved on in the night I was called racist and they have "nowhere to go". I pointed out that there's 6 campsites within 15 miles they could use and if I parked up my motorhome and did what they did I'd be fined or towed.

Got called into HR as they're a protected characteristic.

 

[CAB96]

Got called into HR as they're a protected characteristic.

They might be, but antisocial and criminal behaviour isn't!

We had some park up outside our offices in Trafford Park once.

Not too bad, but lots of verbal abuse.

The 'bailiffs' or whoever they were that we paid to move them on apparently seemed very familiar with them, almost as if it was a daily occurrence and a nice little earner!

 

[oldiesontour]

Bring on the poachers!

 

[GJH]

Got called into HR as they're a protected characteristic.

The poor manner in which the HRA was enacted in 1998 (basically absence of derogations) meant that Romani Gypsies and Irish Travellers constitute ethnic groups under the law but without measures to prevent abuse of that position by members of those communities and others pretending to be part of those ethnic groups.
Like the rest of the derogation problems with what is basically a sound Act, no government since has had the motivation/ability to make amendments. The Conservative government pledged to sort out the problems of gypsies and travellers and even launched a consultation in April 2018 but then quietly bottled taking any action.
The upshot is that landowners still have to go through a convoluted process to overcome such instances of trespass.

 

[Bramidan]

When my wife worked on the Deli Counter in Waitrose these people would come to the counter and order Beef Wellingtons, these would be put-in bags and given to them, for them to pay at the checkout. Guess what? They never got to the check out, they used to eat them in the store and stuff the wrappers behind tins on another shelf.
It happened once and she followed them and watched them, reported to the Manager who did nothing, I guess he wasn’t paid enough to intervene.
Surprisingly enough said customers used to get quite upset on repeat visits when she told them to “pi.. off”
She being a Cardiff girl I would have warned them not to take on the Smokey Dragon!
They only got away with it once.

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[David and Sally]

They are a plague. If they want to live and act outside of the law they should not be protected by the law

 

[jockaneezer]

They've taken over (legitimately) the small Chapel in our village, you can hardly get past on Thursdays and Sundays for sparkling clean, brand new tree surgery, builders and tarmac "business" vans, Mercs and Range Rovers that park wherever they want.
Mothers Day, one of the villagers was blocked in by an unknown car, she went to the pub to ask if it was anyone's in there as they were doing cream teas for Mums, but it wasn't anyone's in there, so nipped across to the Chapel to ask there. "No, definitely not anyone in here's car " was the reply. Two minutes later, a woman came out of the Chapel's side door and moved the offending vehicle !
I hope she had to do a pennance when she went back in !
Maybe I should get them some hair shirts as I'm sure they're doing some sort of laundering business in there !

 

[Bognor Saint]

They are back in West Park, Bognor. After they left last year and earth bank was built up around the park but they got in.

 

[fishplug]

Travellers and Romany Gypsies are very different communities.

 

[Odd-no-more]

Travellers and Romany Gypsies are very different communities.

If that's correct why do we only get the bad ones?

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[Steve and Denise]

I met a very good one some years ago at a funeral

 

[fishplug]

If that's correct why do we only get the bad ones?

It is correct. Try calling a traveller a gypsy or vice versa if you don't believe me

The Roma generally keep very much to themselves and once they've moved on from a site you would never know they'd been. They also tend not to appear on the front pages of the tabloids.

 

[Odd-no-more]

It is correct. Try calling a traveller a gypsy or vice versa if you don't believe me

The Roma generally keep very much to themselves and once they've moved on from a site you would never know they'd been. They also tend not to appear on the front pages of the tabloids.

I have never seen any of them around here, just the ones that leave sh-t everywhere

 

[TheMobileWanderer]

The poor manner in which the HRA was enacted in 1998 (basically absence of derogations) meant that Romani Gypsies and Irish Travellers constitute ethnic groups under the law but without measures to prevent abuse of that position by members of those communities and others pretending to be part of those ethnic groups.
Like the rest of the derogation problems with what is basically a sound Act, no government since has had the motivation/ability to make amendments. The Conservative government pledged to sort out the problems of gypsies and travellers and even launched a consultation in April 2018 but then quietly bottled taking any action.
The upshot is that landowners still have to go through a convoluted process to overcome such instances of trespass.

I wonder whether a focus on improving the law regarding trespass might be a way to fix such issues without breaching or altering the HRA?

 

[GJH]

I wonder whether a focus on improving the law regarding trespass might be a way to fix such issues without breaching or altering the HRA?

That is exactly what the 2018 consultation was supposed to address.

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[Grianan]

Il not going to pretend I understand the distinction between Roma, travellers and gypsies. I have, however, taught a child who is from a well respected family in the local ‘showmen’ community so have a little insight into the community who run funfairs. The extended family I know have (lovely) houses but travel to run funfairs around the country.

I hadn’t realised that Roma peoples were targeted by the Nazis which may be why they are protected now … https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/roma-holocaust

And another article I read recently https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ed1xj8v3o.amp

None of that helps the problems of the camps that set up overnight and which feel intimidating and are often left in a mess.

I’m now wondering whether the setting up of the Ayr aire / barrier access motorhome parking was partly to prevent the travellers’ camp which sometimes set up in the same area.

 

[Chris]

Squatting in residential property is now illegal so why not simply extend that to commercial premises and parks and open spaces?

No need for bloody consultation

 

[GJH]

Squatting in residential property is now illegal so why not simply extend that to commercial premises and parks and open spaces?

No need for bloody consultation

I don't pretend to know why existing laws can not be extended or, indeed, if there is need for new primary legislation at all. The consultation was actually completed almost 7 years ago but there has not been governmental will to take it further since.

If I were a cynic I might think that lack of action is a recognition of the usefulness of having subjects which people become exercised about that can be highlighted when required to divert attention from failure (as is possibly the case with other matters).