steep drive blues

[jjj trippin]

Hello there everybody peeps! Got mechanical stress, bought 97 autocruise starblazer on a 2.4d boxer, reversed onto steep drive, nose uphill, approx 14 quids worth of fuel on top of emergency tank, so hardly empty and it won't start, flattened the battery actually tryin. Used to have this grief on me trannie but facing down hill. Question is, anyone know which end of tank the fuel uptake dipper is and will I have to bleed it? Thanks in ( hopefull) advance. Jon.

 

[HymerB544]

Hi, I'm sure you'll get more helpful replies than this, but here goes:
Was the low fuel warning light on when you switched the ignition on?
If it wasn't, then the problem doesn't sound like the fuel level being too low to flow through to the business end, in which case, something electrical possibly?
Any chance someone can pull your van up and off the drive, then you can either try to jump or push start it?
Sorry can't suggest anything else.
Gary

 

[daveandsan]

Can't help you with your problem but don't try to push start it. Only try to start it with a battery or you might end up with more problems.

 

[Eddystone]

Can't help you with your problem but don't try to push start it. Only try to start it with a battery or you might end up with more problems.

I agree. It is quite difficult to bump-start a diesel engine.

I agree with Gary in that I don't think it is a fuel level problem. Your drive cannot be steeper than some roads you will drive on. I am not familiar with the Boxer but :-
Do you have an immobilizer fitted ?

Brian

 

[Eddystone]

Try this link. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=47853


Nothing specific to Peugeot on searching Google but in addition to this link to Honest John there are similar problems flagged up on the VW forums suggesting air leaks on the fuel line but I'm not convinced that yours should suddenly have a problem with the fuel filter.
Hope this helps.
Brian

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[Jabberwocky]

I'd say it is a fuel problem, how long has it been sat on the drive? Once you get it going park it nose down so the fuel isn't being dragged away from the engine by gravity.

 

[Charlie123]

Hello there everybody peeps! Got mechanical stress, bought 97 autocruise starblazer on a 2.4d boxer, reversed onto steep drive, nose uphill, approx 14 quids worth of fuel on top of emergency tank, so hardly empty and it won't start, flattened the battery actually tryin. Used to have this grief on me trannie but facing down hill. Question is, anyone know which end of tank the fuel uptake dipper is and will I have to bleed it? Thanks in ( hopefull) advance. Jon.

You reversed it onto a steep drive but the nose is UPHILL ? surely the nose is down hill ?

Or is your drive downhill towards the house ?

Even if the fuel is down one end of the tank the fuel filter and pump will still be full of fuel along with the fuel lines from the tank upwards ?

So if it wont start how can it be down to fuel starvation ?

I know some vehicles have a safety feature which cuts power if the vehicle goes past a certain pitch. For instance if a vehicle were to roll in a crash the fuel would be stopped for obvious safety reasons. But that is a wee bit extreme but maybe just maybe your drive is ultra steep and thats what is happening ?

 

[Enword]

I had a problem with our sprinter last year at Donington parked nose up (with low fuel but far from empty) for about 15 min would not start, tracked it down to that stupid little valve on top of the fuel filter that CDIs have ( it wasn't leaking but it was letting in air so the fuel was running back to the tank) we managed to bleed her up & got in to the paddock, I did away with the later type filter & fitted a 310d type bypassing the valve & having the fuel rail return straight back to the tank.
So make sure there are no air leaks

 

[rangi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ,I have a hazy memory of a mechanic recovery fella telling me the Immoblizer is on the fuel pump, just before he gave me a tow start, which was successful. The vehicle suffered NO ongoing problems because of it.

I have an 02 Ducatto 1.9tdi

 

[Enword]

Hello there everybody peeps! Got mechanical stress, bought 97 autocruise starblazer on a 2.4d boxer, reversed onto steep drive, nose uphill, approx 14 quids worth of fuel on top of emergency tank, so hardly empty and it won't start, flattened the battery actually tryin. Used to have this grief on me trannie but facing down hill. Question is, anyone know which end of tank the fuel uptake dipper is and will I have to bleed it? Thanks in ( hopefull) advance. Jon.

Any news on this?

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[****]

I know some vehicles have a safety feature which cuts power if the vehicle goes past a certain pitch. For instance if a vehicle were to roll in a crash the fuel would be stopped for obvious safety reasons. But that is a wee bit extreme but maybe just maybe your drive is ultra steep and thats what is happening ?

That is where my money would be.

 

[****]

I had a problem with our sprinter last year at Donington parked nose up (with low fuel but far from empty) for about 15 min would not start, tracked it down to that stupid little valve on top of the fuel filter that CDIs have ( it wasn't leaking but it was letting in air so the fuel was running back to the tank) we managed to bleed her up & got in to the paddock, I did away with the later type filter & fitted a 310d type bypassing the valve & having the fuel rail return straight back to the tank.
So make sure there are no air leaks

But is it not meant to get air. No air getting in then the fuel stops. Bit like holding your finger over a straw in water, lift out and let go to release the water.

 

[Badknee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ,I have a hazy memory of a mechanic recovery fella telling me the Immoblizer is on the fuel pump, just before he gave me a tow start, which was successful. The vehicle suffered NO ongoing problems because of it.

I have an 02 Ducatto 1.9tdi

I had a 55plate Boxer at work that was bump started. It blew a main fuse under the cab floor and for the next three years it was complete and utter nightmare. Went into limp mode for no reason at all, the driver hated it. No known reason, I've dragged many oil burners into life before but that bloody thing didn't like it at all.

 

[Enword]

But is it not meant to get air. No air getting in then the fuel stops. Bit like holding your finger over a straw in water, lift out and let go to release the water.

No air should never get in the filter. Because that will then get into the fuel pump/fuel rail, thats why older pump systems had to be bled at different places to ensure no air was present.

 

[rangi]

I had a 55plate Boxer at work that was bump started. It blew a main fuse under the cab floor and for the next three years it was complete and utter nightmare. Went into limp mode for no reason at all, the driver hated it. No known reason, I've dragged many oil burners into life before but that bloody thing didn't like it at all.

I can only reiterate, no problems at all, in fact looking back on it, we have been tow started twice, once in Scotland and once in Wool.
Wether your 55 is different from my 02???? I don't know, I can only go on my own experience.

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[****]

No air should never get in the filter. Because that will then get into the fuel pump/fuel rail, thats why older pump systems had to be bled at different places to ensure no air was present.

Oops. I read it as fuel filler (Cap) Think the seal must be worn on my cap as i keep getting water in my filter.

 

[TheBig1]

the older ducato and boxer are known to have immobiliser issues. a good auto electrician can bypass the immobiliser
as i recall @eddievanbitz demonstrated how easy it was for a test in mmm