Southport murderer

[The general]

Again seems we been let down by our authorities ,nobody , no department seems to have taken any interest ? Our Home Secretary as decided on an inquiry

 

[Googlebot]

Rightly so, thoughts with all those poor families affected and the children lost too soon.

 

[Brains]

Details here

I think the problem is every school in the country has a resident 'nutter'
Your school had one, my school had one.

Even now, over half a century after many of us left education, we may still be able to name that person, and we may even know what happened next.

If you asked every teacher to name one kid in every year most likely to comment a serious offence, you would end up with the same few names cropping up again and again in every school.

The issue is no government has been prepared to put serious money into special educational needs for theses kids, to try and divert them from their antisocial path (be that criminal, ideological, violence, incel nerd, addiction, whatever)

Until a government is prepared to put their money where their mouth is, no long term solution will even be considered and every year a few hundred more innocents will suffer.
Not just those that are killed or hurt, but also all their families, friends, places where they go to school or work.
The ripples of each act of violence continue for decades and generations.

We live in London, some of the killings are very local to us, invariably it's school kids killing other school kids, and when you look at the history behind each one there is usually a string of school suspensions, school expelling and social services involvement.
It's the same 'chosen few' at each school causing all the problems.

 

[Gaston aires]

My sympathy is with the families of the slain.
None whatsoever for the deranged killer sicko.
I would have him executed if I could.
Phil

 

[jerryz]

Brains thats a good theory , but at my School I was the school NUTTER in fact my nickname was 'Nutta' i am admittedly a bit out there ,,and at 16 a total loopy crazy suicidal prat and terminal psycho biker drug taking metal head .The School did a lot of damage to me too,, with negativity , no help offered whatsoever and the NHS and mental health teams were even worse ....... .. But I did not self destruct and have had good careers yes dangerous jobs , been a good parent and son ,and very interesting and successful life despite my demons which still plague me today .

But i have always been , rational skeptical of cults, activism , politics, religion , conspiracy , herd rubbish , maybe thats the difference ???? i never harm good people but I will go after bullies , thugs and injustice ...

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[Abacist]

I have every sympathy for the three families and there may be a need for a public enquiry but hundreds of rapes by Asian grooming gangs also deserves an inquiry into why the Home Office and Police were allegedly told not to take any action but when the state is under scrutiny they don't like it!

 

[Googlebot]

but hundreds of rapes by Asian grooming gangs also deserves an inquiry into why the Home Office and Police were allegedly told not to take any action but when the state is under scrutiny they don't like it!

She has also announced that there will be an inquiry into grooming gangs actually.

Yvette Cooper announces inquiries into grooming gangs - BBC News

Plans include local investigations and a national audit of the ethnicity of victims and perpetrators.

www.bbc.co.uk

Also, public enquiries are often held to deflect blame away from Governments and onto individuals. By examining individual mistakes by employees, they effectively let the Government off the hook.

Finally, don’t let the narrative of idiots like Musk cloud your judgement. One of the worst cases of child abuse uncovered, that was perpetrated by a gang, wasn’t an Asian grooming gang. It just gets very little exposure as the racist grifters like Yaxley Lennon never seem to mention those.

Final four defendants jailed for their part in the largest child sexual abuse prosecution in the West Midlands | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

My concerns as I am sure yours are, are with the victims and stopping it happening again.

 

[Brains]

Brains thats a good theory , but at my School I was the school NUTTER in fact my nickname was 'Nutta' i am admittedly a bit out there ,,and at 16 a total loopy crazy suicidal prat and terminal psycho biker drug taking metal head .The School did a lot of damage to me too,, with negativity , no help offered whatsoever and the NHS and mental health teams were even worse ....... .. But I did not self destruct and have had good careers yes dangerous jobs , been a good parent and son ,and very interesting and successful life despite my demons which still plague me today .

But i have always been , rational skeptical of cults, activism , politics, religion , conspiracy , herd rubbish , maybe thats the difference ???? i never harm good people but I will go after bullies , thugs and injustice ...

By the sound of it, your teachers may have put you into
the "most likely to be dead before 25" list.

But your teachers probably would not have put you into the
the "most likely to be serving 15 to 25 years inside" list.

It's the violent, fundamentalist levels of ideology (political, religious or discriminatory), criminal (fraud &/or violent) and overall antisocial kids that are usually fairly easy to name, often before they leave primary school.
These kids need to be identified and suitable action put in place to direct them back to whatever is socially acceptable.

Even in a school of 1,000 kids I think you are talking about less than 1% of the kids.
Yes it will cost money, a lot of money, probably the usual 80/20 rule, where 20% of the kids use up 80% of the budget.

The alternative is a lot more expensive, with each prisoner costing well over £50k a year to keep locked up.
(Perhaps Prisons and Education should have the same Minister and come from the same budget pool)

 

[dunnah01]

Now that muskentrump has been inaugurated I fear that more people will feel legitimised to be extreme

 

[Brains]

Here is what happened to one of my former 'nutters' at school.

That was not his name when I knew him.
He got witness protection and a new life and bought a petrol station 300 miles away.

Someone obviously recognised him 20 years later, and had a professional deal with the issue.
I was not surprised.

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[Brains]

Now that muskentrump has been inaugurated I fear that more people will feel legitimised to be extreme

Extreme is the new normal.

 

[meanders]

inquiry into why the Home Office and Police were allegedly told not to take any action but when the state is under scrutiny they don't like it!

I don't understand..... We had that enquiry and a huge report with lots of recommendations that as yet have not been enacted. That included 2514 records involving the police with recommendations. There were 19 different investigations under the one umbrella. 7,300 victims and survivors submitted or gave evidence taking immense personal courage. In addition a lot more gave evidence to the Truth Project that preceded the Enquiry. The enquiry issued a total of 101 recommendations (none of which I disagree). You can have as many enquiries as you like, but the reality is unless and until our politicians actually take some real action (some movement on that from the current government but we wait and see if it actually happens), there is absolutely no point having another massive talking shop putting further pressure and resentment from those who so painfully gave their accounts. Frankly to do so would amount to cruelty in my view. What we need is the identified recommendations to protect all children passed into law. We know what needs doing, we just need to get it done!

Yes there were still incidents occurring while the Enquiry was reporting, but while I understand the need for those new victims, (or those that could not bring themselves to do so to the main enquiry, but have seen the summary report and now want to do so, will it bring out anything new, or simply extend the pain for those waiting to see if their input gets acted upon? If we stop things where they are and have another enquiry, what then...... That reports then some more come out of the dark and want another enquiry?? Where does it end?

We need to get on with saving our children from harm. Lets enact the recommendations, THEN do a review and see what else needs to be attended too. The current media circus is not helping the abused. As for why the Home Office and Police were allegedly told not to take any action, if you read the whole report, you were find that there was no evidence to support that assertion. Yes there is evidence that various police forces were wary of the race issue, especially in the light of the Stephen Lawrence enquiry where they were judged to be institutionally racist (and clearly were). There is also evidence that the CPS exercised restraint on the same worry, but equally both organisations are criticised for not dealing properly with white on white abuse that is far more prevalent. In some peoples minds that massively larger but less published group of victims are clearly unimportant.

You also need to look closely at the criticism rightly aimed at Local Authorities who have statutory responsibility to safeguard and failed wholesale. And that to other organisations including youth groups, football clubs and the churches. This is a huge problem of evil men of every race creed and colour taking advantage of children of every race, creed and colour.

Sorry having been dealing with the fallout of this for many years, it makes me sick when people constantly rant on about Asian men and white girls as if that is the whole problem. It was appalling, but its only a small part of the overall issue and the overarching focus on it simply detracts from all the other victims and effectively says to them that their torrid experience is not important because there was no racial overtone. What a terrible things to be saying to victims.

Those most concerned about on-going or future abuse (That's what we need to deal with as we cannot undo what has happened in the past) would have much more effect if they contacted their MP and asking when ALL the Enquiry 101 recommendations are going to be enacted upon, rather than keep banging on about things that actually have already been addressed but the follow-up actions are sitting in a large report that most people have not set eyes on. Also ask when proper recompense will be paid for those let down by those who were supposed to be protecting them.

 

[Grianan]

By the sound of it, your teachers may have put you into
the "most likely to be dead before 25" list.

But your teachers probably would not have put you into the
the "most likely to be serving 15 to 25 years inside" list.

It's the violent, fundamentalist levels of ideology (political, religious or discriminatory), criminal (fraud &/or violent) and overall antisocial kids that are usually fairly easy to name, often before they leave primary school.
These kids need to be identified and suitable action put in place to direct them back to whatever is socially acceptable.

Even in a school of 1,000 kids I think you are talking about less than 1% of the kids.
Yes it will cost money, a lot of money, probably the usual 80/20 rule, where 20% of the kids use up 80% of the budget.

The alternative is a lot more expensive, with each prisoner costing well over £50k a year to keep locked up.
(Perhaps Prisons and Education should have the same Minister and come from the same budget pool)

Was that not PREVENT? I thought it was being disbanded …

 

[Googlebot]

Was that not PREVENT? I thought it was being disbanded …

It is Prevent, last updated in 2023. I suspect it will be again following this utter failure.

Counter-terrorism strategy (CONTEST)

This series brings together all documents relating to CONTEST, the UK's counter-terrorism strategy.

www.gov.uk

 

[maison]

She has also announced that there will be an inquiry into grooming gangs actually.

Yvette Cooper announces inquiries into grooming gangs - BBC News

Plans include local investigations and a national audit of the ethnicity of victims and perpetrators.

www.bbc.co.uk

Also, public enquiries are often held to deflect blame away from Governments and onto individuals. By examining individual mistakes by employees, they effectively let the Government off the hook.

Finally, don’t let the narrative of idiots like Musk cloud your judgement. One of the worst cases of child abuse uncovered, that was perpetrated by a gang, wasn’t an Asian grooming gang. It just gets very little exposure as the racist grifters like Yaxley Lennon never seem to mention those.

Final four defendants jailed for their part in the largest child sexual abuse prosecution in the West Midlands | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

My concerns as I am sure yours are, are with the victims and stopping it happening again.

The enquiries she has announced into the grooming gangs are local enquiries and will have no power to compel witnesses to give evidence, unlike a Public Enquiry.

Hence, they are unlikely to be able to point the finger at those who failed in their duty to protect the girls involved.

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[John Barrett]

I remember as a child watching a sadistic 10 year old ripping the wings off captured butterflies. They are still out there and must be identified and dealt with.