Sat nav live traffic update data use.

[Happy Jack]

Hi.
Just got an Aguri 760 sat nav.
Working fine, will need to pair it up with my Moto edge phone to get live traffic updates, but data will be used.
At the mo, I have a payg SIM on 1p mobile and data costs 1p per mb.
How much data will be used, will I be better off upgrading to a rolling monthly contract with 1p which typically costs £10 per gb.
Keith.

 

[Guigsy]

1p for 1MB is roughly £10 for 1GB.

On the 1p Mobile site, it's £5 for 1GB bundle. Or £10 for 10GB.

How much will you use? Very difficult to estimate. Possibly 100MB per hour of driving? Although it could be considerably less. Or change lots depending on where you are and time of day. Friday night near London probably has lots more traffic data than a Saturday in the middle of nowhere.

Best to do a short run of an hour, see how much you burn through and work it out. It'll probably work out that you need to drive 5-10 hours per month before the bundles make sense... But that's assuming you don't ever use data for anything else.

 

[Happy Jack]

Thanks Guigsy.
Will be away with the van approx 2 weeks every month, we think 2/3 nights each location and looking to drive anywhere from 40 to 80 miles between sites. That's this year until we get more experience/confidence.
Phone gets used for supermarket apps,WhatsApp and Victron connect app. Hardly gets used for texting or phoning !!!
Last time I looked at my 1p mobile account 60 gig per month was £10.
Keith

 

[Guigsy]

Thanks Guigsy.
Will be away with the van approx 2 weeks every month, we think 2/3 nights each location and looking to drive anywhere from 40 to 80 miles between sites. That's this year until we get more experience/confidence.
Phone gets used for supermarket apps,WhatsApp and Victron connect app. Hardly gets used for texting or phoning !!!
Last time I looked at my 1p mobile account 60 gig per month was £10.
Keith

It's really hard to estimate the data use. If software is heavily optimised to keep data use low, it doesn't update very often and only knows about incidents, the data could be tiny.

Or it could be like Google which can show slower traffic on the approach to every junction and updates several times per minute. It probably eats a lot more. It's a trade-off of details Vs budget.

 

[Happy Jack]

Ok, understand but I thought live updates of traffic congestion/incidents would be worth having so that re-routing could take place.
Will have to try it out.

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[Guigsy]

I use satnav on every journey, even if I know where I'm going. I can see if I'm going to be held up. I can make informed decisions about taking another route. And on the motorway, even see if there's congestion ahead so I can let off the accelerator and trundle up to the back of the queue without doing the heavy braking that everyone else seems to need to do... But I do have a heavy data allowance on my phone.

 

[Reallyretired]

40 to 80 Miles between sites, how unambitious. I have driven 255 miles today. Only plan about 180 tomorrow, you won't find the sun without moving about a bit. We left with rain forecast all all day max 12C and arrived at 23C and sunny, but can't rest on ones laurels.

 

[kevenh]

I use satnav on every journey, even if I know where I'm going. I can see if I'm going to be held up. I can make informed decisions about taking another route. And on the motorway, even see if there's congestion ahead so I can let off the accelerator and trundle up to the back of the queue without doing the heavy braking that everyone else seems to need to do... But I do have a heavy data allowance on my phone.

For my phone and map software choice, I’ve another reason to always choose a final destination to route to.
When driving without a route selected there are no speed limit indications or camera alerts. yy

 

[Happy Jack]

Yes G, I anticipate what's going on ahead as well.
I want to use traffic info so I will have to pair up the satnav with my mobile and try it over a few trips(will also have to upgrade my 1p contract).
Keith.

 

[Happy Jack]

Really retyred. Gone are the days when I would drive 800 miles in one day. Until recently, was driving 300 miles to Southampton regular.
We are new to vanning and will be taking it easy for first few months.
Keith.

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[Happy Jack]

Really retyred, where did you find 23C. Not in the UK today?
We plan a winter in Spain/Portugal possibly 2023/24 but need to get experience. In our younger days, drive all over South Africa but we were living there and LHD anyway.

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

Can I hi-jack the thread for a moment please? How much data will a phone use when just supplying the satnav GPS facility?

 

[kevenh]

Can I hi-jack the thread for a moment please? How much data will a phone use when just supplying the satnav GPS facility?

I’d have to put my phone into airplane mode to test this: -
i expect the location indicator to move without using data. Like a regular Satnav.
To avoid data costs for the mapping displayed in the background you’d need an offline map preloaded tho.

 

[iandsm]

40 to 80 Miles between sites, how unambitious. I have driven 255 miles today. Only plan about 180 tomorrow, you won't find the sun without moving about a bit. We left with rain forecast all all day max 12C and arrived at 23C and sunny, but can't rest on ones laurels.

I used to frequently drive between 40 and 80 miles between aires in France enjoying the scenery on the way and taking back roads to see places off the beaten track. I would and have driven 200/ 300 miles a day when there was a need but much prefer to take my time and enjoy the ride, but then I’m not ambitious.

 

[Reallyretired]

Really retyred, where did you find 23C. Not in the UK today?
We plan a winter in Spain/Portugal possibly 2023/24 but need to get experience. In our younger days, drive all over South Africa but we were living there and LHD anyway.

Just south of Lyon. We tend to avoid the
UK with the motorhome, too unfriendly and expensive regardless of the crappy weather.
Just yesterday in France Swmbo was talking to a French lady walking her dog and happened to mention she was looking for a baguette bag but with no joy. This lady (Marie) said she had a spare and would pop it round which she duly did, also gave swmbo a souvenir linen bag of Mirecourt and a rather superior cheese and bacon baguette from her favourite artisan Baker. All because she was pleased to practice her English.
Things like that seem to happen quite a lot in France never found it in UK.

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[Happy Jack]

To get back to my OP.
Does anyone know approx how much data will be used by the phone when paired with the Sat nav to give live traffic updates ?
Keith.

 

[Just smiffy]

To get back to my OP.
Does anyone know approx how much data will be used by the phone when paired with the Sat nav to give live traffic updates ?
Keith.

Not very much, I have it on all the time, for my built in one in the car also. Plus I sometimes listen to internet radio stations while away driving also and uses very little…

But, you can easily get 50gb of data free calls free texts pay monthly sims for around £10 a month now… it’s a no brainier..

 

[Adrian140974]

Should have gone for avtex tourer on the garmin system, built in GPS, no cist after purchase

 

[Adrian140974]

Actually correction, you still need phone to get luve traffic info

 

[Happy Jack]

Thank all, my sat nav does have built in gps.
Yes I will upgrade my PAYG sim from 1p per mb to £10 per month for 60 Gig.
Perhaps if visit France then since it's bigger than UK I might get ambitious with milage.
Keith.

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[Camper634]

Actually correction, you still need phone to get luve traffic info

Although I regularly use a Garmin 890,I find the live traffic is often less than reliable.I also have a TomTom Camper max which,despite notable deficiencies especially around POI management, the traffic is far superior.Only my opinion of course.

 

[Flightlevel55]

Hi.
Just got an Aguri 760 sat nav.
Working fine, will need to pair it up with my Moto edge phone to get live traffic updates, but data will be used.
At the mo, I have a payg SIM on 1p mobile and data costs 1p per mb.
How much data will be used, will I be better off upgrading to a rolling monthly contract with 1p which typically costs £10 per gb.
Keith.

Hi, this is from the Aguri website and I assume the maps are on your device and the phone data is just for traffic…

”For Live Digital Traffic to work it is necessary to pair it with your Smart Phone or iPhone to leverage your phones internet connection. As a result many customers ask how much of their phone’s data package Live Traffic will use. Live Traffic only needs very small packets of data every few minutes, so if you were to use the service for 8 hrs a day for 20 days, it would only use approximately 400 MB of data. That is about 2.5 MB of data per hour.”

 

[Happy Jack]

Hi Aguri.
Thanks for the info. It's the 760 camper version I have.
Not went through the manual completely yet but I think and I am assuming maps are on it. Advise please?
Will be pairing it with my Motorala edge when I put the Aguri app on to it.
Keith.

 

[Flightlevel55]

Sorry, I’m not from Aguri, just a fellow funster trying to help out. I just took the text in my post from their website. Most third party Sat Navs have the maps built into the unit and just use GPS (not data) for location and directions so I guess the only data you will use is for live traffic as per my previous post. Apologies for any confusion.

 

[Guigsy]

The issue is that some satnavs only give you the level of detail and frequency of updates of Sally Traffic on the radio. I.e. The dozen biggest incidents nationally, but that's it. They probably need a few MB per hour.

Others know the speed of flow for every road to within about 100m and update every minute. They'll eat 100 times as much.

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[Flightlevel55]

The issue is that some satnavs only give you the level of detail and frequency of updates of Sally Traffic on the radio. I.e. The dozen biggest incidents nationally, but that's it. They probably need a few MB per hour.

Others know the speed of flow for every road to within about 100m and update every minute. They'll eat 100 times as much.

I can only go off what the Aguirre website says which is small amount of data every few mins or approx 2.5mb per hour. Happy Jack says his is an Aguri so he should be ok with that I guess.

 

[DJA]

Regarding the amount of Data needed to provide Traffic information to a TomTom device via your Mobile Phone following is an indication by Tomtom I have seen in the past.

• How much data will TomTom services use? On average, if you drive for one hour per day you will use approximately 7 MB of data per month except if you drive during Peak times the figure could be a little higher.

I would assume that a similar amount applies when using their `Mobile Phone App which works using Maps downloaded to the device .

 

[Guigsy]

Regarding the amount of Data needed to provide Traffic information to a TomTom device via your Mobile Phone following is an indication by Tomtom I have seen in the past.

• How much data will TomTom services use? On average, if you drive for one hour per day you will use approximately 7 MB of data per month except if you drive during Peak times the figure could be a little higher.

I would assume that a similar amount applies when using their `Mobile Phone App which works using Maps downloaded to the device .

That's a tiny amount of data. I'm not sure how they'd actually squeeze much information in. That's about the data rate of the old radio broadcast TMC, and that was very basic.

Also, don't TomTom use their satnav users to collect their congestion data?

 

[kevenh]

That's a tiny amount of data. I'm not sure how they'd actually squeeze much information in. That's about the data rate of the old radio broadcast TMC, and that was very basic.

Also, don't TomTom use their satnav users to collect their congestion data?

Maybe optimistic but it is just text used by the API

Understanding How TomTom Handles Data Used by the Traffic API | TomTom Developer Blog

TomTom’s Traffic API gives application developers a simple way to add real-time traffic information to their applications. In this article, we’ll look at the TomTom Traffic API, what data TomTom collects to operate the API services, how TomTom collects and protects the data, and how that data is...

developer.tomtom.com

The text block examples are 400-650bytes. Or .000400-0.000650MB
So, 11,666,666,667 16 traffic updates an hour.

That's still a high amount a few api updates on an hourly rate.

edit: HO!! Got to check the mega bytes maths
yes, I converted twice in the old maths. New maths: -

0.0006​	msg in Megabytes
7​	monthly rate in Megabytes
11,667​	msg per month
389​	msg a day
16​	hourly msg

 

[Guigsy]

Maybe optimistic but it is just text used by the API

Understanding How TomTom Handles Data Used by the Traffic API | TomTom Developer Blog

TomTom’s Traffic API gives application developers a simple way to add real-time traffic information to their applications. In this article, we’ll look at the TomTom Traffic API, what data TomTom collects to operate the API services, how TomTom collects and protects the data, and how that data is...

developer.tomtom.com

The text block examples are 400-650bytes. Or .000400-0.000650MB
So, 11,666,666,667 16 traffic updates an hour.

That's still a high amount a few api updates on an hourly rate.

edit: HO!! Got to check the mega bytes maths
yes, I converted twice in the old maths. New maths: -

0.0006​	msg in Megabytes
7​	monthly rate in Megabytes
11,667​	msg per month
389​	msg a day
16​	hourly msg

Yeah, not carrying very much info at all! Compared to Google maps that can see slow flows down to a few hundred metres of every road.