Road fund Licence

[Bertie Bus]

Hi
We will be picking up our new van in two weeks and we are not sure how much the road tax will be for 12 Months. It is a Bailey Autograph 75-2 2017 plate at 3500 Kg. According to the Government website, vehicles below 3500 Kg are taxed at £240. Vehicle above 3500 Kg it is £165.
Any ideas please?

 

[SpeedyDux]

Sounds right, but the dealer should arrange that before handover and the VED should be on the sale invoice.

It is a bonus for the "heavies".

 

[Bertie Bus]

I think they will sort that out before pick up but we were just sorting out our budget costs for the van over the course of a year so we are not sure if it will be the lower or higher figure.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Hi
We will be picking up our new van in two weeks and we are not sure how much the road tax will be for 12 Months. It is a Bailey Autograph 75-2 2017 plate at 3500 Kg. According to the Government website, vehicles below 3500 Kg are taxed at £240. Vehicle above 3500 Kg it is £165.
Any ideas please?

£240

Above 3500 means 3501 and upwards.

 

[Bertie Bus]

Thanks Nick. That is some saving by being 1Kg heavier.

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[Deleted member 29692]

Thanks Nick. That is some saving by being 1Kg heavier.

Hahaha. It's the threshold for the PHGV taxation class. You obviously wouldn't plate it a 3501 but it's worth considering a higher plating as long as it won't cause you licence issues. The dealer should be able to plate it at 3700 or 3850 on first registration without having to do anything extra.

 

[Bertie Bus]

Hi Nick
I have had my licence for over 25 years so the C1 category isn't an issue. I didn't realise that the van could be uprated like that. Does that affect anything vehicle wise as it would make sense to do so to save money on tax.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Thanks Nick. That is some saving by being 1Kg heavier.

You may be wise to consider up-plating as according to this the 75-2 has a fairly minimal payload of just 315kg :



As for the V.E.D. anomaly, it seems very odd that two identical vehicles, ( one up plated & the other not ), can be taxed as different classes & cost, but it's a fact.

 

[Ivory55]

Hi Nick
I have had my licence for over 25 years so the C1 category isn't an issue. I didn't realise that the van could be uprated like that. Does that affect anything vehicle wise as it would make sense to do so to save money on tax.

Speed limits are different, ie 50mph instead of 60 mph on single track roads.

 

[Bertie Bus]

That's not so bad as we won't be racing anyway, well not while the wife is in the van.
Is there a cost involved? Silly question really as everything costs these days.

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[mikebeaches]

Apparently, I believe road tax is due to rise by RPI in April? Anybody else seen this? I don't think it was specifically mentioned in the budget speech, but buried in the small print of the fine details which are published afterwards.

 

[mikebeaches]

Many small towns and villages on the continent have a ban on vehicles plated over 3,500kg, unless specifically for justified access. ie NOT just "Oh yes we needed to go to the shop!".

There are various pros and cons of being plated at 3,500k or above. Needs careful consideration to determine what meets your needs best.

 

[Lenny HB]

You may be wise to consider up-plating as according to this the 75-2 has a fairly minimal payload of just 315kg :

I would class that as unusable, you need to remember any factory or dealer fitted extras will reduce the payload. The ex factory wait can be up to 5% over which could reduce the payload by 160kg. I reckon 500-600kg min for two people. Even at 3850kg it will be very tight to run legally. Our last van had 580kg, I gave up trying to run at 3500kg and uprated it.

 

[Clarky]

There are a number of extra limitations on a van over 3500kg.
As already mentioned 50mph instead of 60 on ordinary roads, 60 instead of 70 on dual carriageways and reduced speed limits on motorways in France and Spain.
Also in France there are a fair number of weight limited areas where over 3.5 tonnes are banned, although the majority are for trucks not Camping Cars.
There is more than just a reduction in VED to think about.

Richard.

 

[Bertie Bus]

Thanks for that. I think we will have to have a look at what we will carry to determine whether to uprate or not. Saving a few quid on RFL may not be worth the cost of not being able to visit certain places.
decisions, decisions.

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[Lenny HB]

There are a number of extra limitations on a van over 3500kg.
As already mentioned 50mph instead of 60 on ordinary roads, 60 instead of 70 on dual carriageways and reduced speed limits on motorways in France and Spain.
.

Nope, in the UK speed limits are governed by the unladed weight of a Motorhome, up to 3050kg car limits apply over 3050kg same limit as vans. Almost impossible to find out the unladen weight of a Motorhome as it is not stated by the manufacturer.

 

[Stroppy Bird]

Just to clarify - the speed limit on UK roads is determined by the vehicles unladen weight and not by its plated weight.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

Lol - Lenny got there first

 

[andy63]

I don' think that upgrading your weight has any effect on your speed limits.. it' still registered as a motorcar a van and the upplating has no effect on the unladen weight... which is still technically and egally the weight that mattres regarding speed limits..
I up plated through sv tec and asked the question at the time ..
Andy
PS.. that' in the uk

 

[Bertie Bus]

I think we will speak to our dealer when I go up there next Saturday to pay for the van. We could probably do with more payload particularly if we are away for an extended period of time.

 

[pappajohn]

I think we will speak to our dealer when I go up there next Saturday to pay for the van. We could probably do with more payload particularly if we are away for an extended period of time.

For me, the benefits of the extra payload and reduced VED for PHGV far outweigh the reduced UK speed limits and other (foreign) travel restrictions.
If you want fast travel, buy a tent and go by car.

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[Dorset Diver]

The tax rates seem to be getting more and more complex year on year. You may wish to start here and follow the links depending on what your dealer tells you.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables

 

[Bertie Bus]

Hmm, what to do?

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Hi Nick
I have had my licence for over 25 years so the C1 category isn't an issue. I didn't realise that the van could be uprated like that. Does that affect anything vehicle wise as it would make sense to do so to save money on tax.

Don't know how old you are but it will swiftly become an issue when you get to 70.

No real world downsides that I can think of. I can't think of any reason why we would ever buy a MH rated at 3500.

Yes, in theory there are reduced speed limits and higher toll rates when you're abroad but in practice neither happen.

The speed limits are not enforceable for practical purposes. No policeman anywhere is ever going to pull you over if you're doing 60 to check your weight in case you're only meant to be doing 50. To suggest otherwise is nonsense.

 

[Ivory55]

More chance of getting a tug for weight then speed

 

[Bertie Bus]

At 57 candles on my birthday cake coming up, I still have a few years before I need to worry about the C1 licence renewal. So going on the advice given here, I think it will be worth uprating the payload as I see quite a few of the VOSA police around these days. We don't intend to race around anyway but we hope to be using the van all year round and making sure we have all we need will be better than constantly worrying that we are overweight.

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[Linda and Steph]

We’re getting our new toy uprated before we collect it. Eldiss are now providing decent sized water tanks (100L each) but advise you to travel with tanks empty and giving a payload of 425kgs for the 285.

I don’t see how you can travel without water, even if you reduced to a half tank that would be 50kgs leaving little room for passengers, food, wine etc. For us uprating now just seems like a no-brainer.

 

[Bertie Bus]

The more I think about it the more it makes sense to uprate.

 

[ramsthom]

I think we will speak to our dealer when I go up there next Saturday to pay for the van. We could probably do with more payload particularly if we are away for an extended period of time.

I believe its free if you uprate before the motorhome is registered. Afterwards it may cost you around £50.

 

[Camdoon]

Yes the dealer will find it cheaper to do before rather than after he has your money.

 

[Bertie Bus]

I have just e-mailed our supplier to uprate the payload.