Quandary

[Mart 63]

I'm viewing a Rapido 8086df tomorrow, and putting a deposit down. It's 10 months old with 4000kms, so basically new. It has the 2.2 with a 9 speed automatic. Extras include aircon and an expensive mastervolt lithium set up, (which is not a deal breaker). It's a face/face seating with cream leather and island bed, and 2 years left on the warranty.
It's a private sale, and I'm a cash buyer. As its a private sale and in Spain, there is a 6% tax to pay on top.
Now a Pilote has just come on the market this morning, (we also like the Pilote's). It's a G720 sensation, basically the same size as the Rapido and layout. It's a 2021 with 22000kms, a 2.3 with a manual gearbox. No aircon and material seating. One owner and looks new. We are going to view it this afternoon, as its only 40 minutes away from us.
The Pilote is 30000€ cheaper than the Rapido, and from a dealer and will get a 12 month warranty. I could possibly get the aircon fitted in the deal or part of. I can afford either, but the 30k saving is tempting.
What would you do, It's a hard decision.

 

[DavidG58]

You can never add the auto box after buying, I wouldn’t have manual for any amount of saving

That’s the biggest decider I reckon , but totally your choice , although the remaining warranty could be very valuable (if needed)

 

[Just smiffy]

To me it’s not about the price it’s all about the layout and what suits you, both are good build qualities, 30k€ buys a lot of extras…

 

[Mart 63]

To me it’s not about the price it’s all about the layout and what suits you, both are good build qualities, 30k€ buys a lot of extras…

Both the same layouts.

 

[Mart 63]

I've got a viewing on the Pilote at 4pm today, then it's a 5 hr drive tomorrow to Zaragoza to view the Rapido. The guy who is selling the Rapido is putting us up in a hotel for the night. The weather is not good tomorrow though

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[Brains]

You can never add the auto box after buying, I wouldn’t have manual for any amount of saving

That’s the biggest decider I reckon , but totally your choice , although the remaining warranty could be very valuable (if needed)

Whereas I'm the exact opposite!
I'd always choose manual over automatic if given an option.

 

[starquake]

The way I look at auto versus manual is how often do you change gear in a motorhome crusiing a motorway... Outside traffic, almost nil.

So a manual in my mind is simpler (in many cases), less to go wrong. Most of time you are (even in a 50mph zone or higher in 5th or 6th gear). Unless you plan a lot of "inside town" driving in heavy traffic, in my mind theres little benefit in an automatic.

I drive an automatic (car), eelectric, but a diesel manual motorhome if it helps. I hadn't driven a manual for 10 years when we got the motorhome, but quickly adapted back to the clutch/gearbox -> and given the motorhome we wanted didn't have a automatic option (the peugeot boxer based vans we preferred only were delivered to certain motorhome manufacturers in manual form). In a way saying automatic only limits your options substantially on some manufacturers, as some will only do their "most expensive" set of options with automatic. We got many of the same options (as a 2nd owner) instaleld by the previous owner with zero price premium in effect.

In our case we saved about £10k by going manual, not the 30 you can -> and I think if we decided to go automatic it would be because the van was right, not because of the gearbox personally.

Ie, like I htink you are, see both vans, see what is right, and personally I wouldn't let a gearbox worry you unless you have an automatic only license or other sillyness.

 

[ROCHESB]

Cruising on a motorway is no problem with manual or auto, where an auto gearbox scores is in traffic or you are in unfamiliar territory where you need to concentrate on road signs, navigation instructions from satnav/sitnag & not having to change gear is one thing less to worry about. I have had motorhomes with manual, comfortmatic and the new 9-speed auto gearboxes and I would not go back to manual now. We have two hybrid cars that drive like EVs so no gear changes for us any more. My wife found the manual Ducato/Boxer clutch & gearchange too heavy in traffic.

I am waiting to collect a new Series 10 8-speed auto PVC later this year/early next year, I could have had a manual 6 months ago for a lot less money.

 

[rosalan]

I would want to see both vans, as layout is the same but actually being there, seeing, smelling and touching the van could make a big difference, as you will be living in it.

 

[Mart 63]

Thanks both, the gearbox isn't going to sway me either way. My last motorhome was a Ford Benimar with a manual gearbox, it was lovely to drive.

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[appydaze]

I prefer automatic, mainly cause of my sciatica, all that clutch dipping does me in.
Lets say if all cars from the beginning were auto and then someone says I like manual, you would think they were mad......

 

[1090alex]

I'm viewing a Rapido 8086df tomorrow, and putting a deposit down. It's 10 months old with 4000kms, so basically new. It has the 2.2 with a 9 speed automatic. Extras include aircon and an expensive mastervolt lithium set up, (which is not a deal breaker). It's a face/face seating with cream leather and island bed, and 2 years left on the warranty.
It's a private sale, and I'm a cash buyer. As its a private sale and in Spain, there is a 6% tax to pay on top.
Now a Pilote has just come on the market this morning, (we also like the Pilote's). It's a G720 sensation, basically the same size as the Rapido and layout. It's a 2021 with 22000kms, a 2.3 with a manual gearbox. No aircon and material seating. One owner and looks new. We are going to view it this afternoon, as its only 40 minutes away from us.
The Pilote is 30000€ cheaper than the Rapido, and from a dealer and will get a 12 month warranty. I could possibly get the aircon fitted in the deal or part of. I can afford either, but the 30k saving is tempting.
What would you do, It's a hard decision.

It might look like a difficult decision, however an auto as opposed to manual at any price point is a no brainer.
In the price range you're in the vast majority want auto, and for good reason it's much,much nicer to drive in every way.

 

[gus-lopez]

There is an 8060df on coches.net appears identical except it says it's in Barcelona?

 

[1090alex]

The way I look at auto versus manual is how often do you change gear in a motorhome crusiing a motorway... Outside traffic, almost nil.

So a manual in my mind is simpler (in many cases), less to go wrong. Most of time you are (even in a 50mph zone or higher in 5th or 6th gear). Unless you plan a lot of "inside town" driving in heavy traffic, in my mind theres little benefit in an automatic.

I drive an automatic (car), eelectric, but a diesel manual motorhome if it helps. I hadn't driven a manual for 10 years when we got the motorhome, but quickly adapted back to the clutch/gearbox -> and given the motorhome we wanted didn't have a automatic option (the peugeot boxer based vans we preferred only were delivered to certain motorhome manufacturers in manual form). In a way saying automatic only limits your options substantially on some manufacturers, as some will only do their "most expensive" set of options with automatic. We got many of the same options (as a 2nd owner) instaleld by the previous owner with zero price premium in effect.

In our case we saved about £10k by going manual, not the 30 you can -> and I think if we decided to go automatic it would be because the van was right, not because of the gearbox personally.

Ie, like I htink you are, see both vans, see what is right, and personally I wouldn't let a gearbox worry you unless you have an automatic only license or other sillyness.

I've sold vehicles for over 20 years. On the face of it a manual gearbox looks like it's a case of "less to go wrong" However in reality we had far more issues with dual mass flywheels on manual gearbox vehicles than we did with autos. In fact I can't remember when we last had an auto box failure.

 

[Puddleduck]

Always auto for me.

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[Mart 63]

There is an 8060df on coches.net appears identical except it says it's in Barcelona?

That's the one, it's at the garage he bought it from in Zaragoza. The weather looks really bad for a drive there tomorrow

 

[Mart 63]

Quick update, viewed the Pilote, it was on French plates. Not a problem, as it would be transferred on to Spanish plates. SWMBO liked it, but my heart just wasn't into the van. So it's Zaragoza tomorrow.

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

I'm viewing a Rapido 8086df tomorrow, and putting a deposit down. It's 10 months old with 4000kms, so basically new. It has the 2.2 with a 9 speed automatic. Extras include aircon and an expensive mastervolt lithium set up, (which is not a deal breaker). It's a face/face seating with cream leather and island bed, and 2 years left on the warranty.
It's a private sale, and I'm a cash buyer. As its a private sale and in Spain, there is a 6% tax to pay on top.
Now a Pilote has just come on the market this morning, (we also like the Pilote's). It's a G720 sensation, basically the same size as the Rapido and layout. It's a 2021 with 22000kms, a 2.3 with a manual gearbox. No aircon and material seating. One owner and looks new. We are going to view it this afternoon, as its only 40 minutes away from us.
The Pilote is 30000€ cheaper than the Rapido, and from a dealer and will get a 12 month warranty. I could possibly get the aircon fitted in the deal or part of. I can afford either, but the 30k saving is tempting.
What would you do, It's a hard decision.

Just for my ten pence worth, and I am in no way in this price league of either van, but, is the 2 years manufacturer's warranty transferable from the original owner?
I am only asking as I often see posts on here where the original owners who have warranties have problems with rectification under warranty , even though they are the original purchaser.
Would not personally like to be chasing warranty work as a second owner.
A 12 month dealer warranty , set up as new to you, would be my choice.
But this is only my personal view and I wish I could afford them both.
Good luck in your purchase anyway.

 

[Mart 63]

I hope the warranty is transferable, the van is at a Rapido dealership. I've been told it's transferable by someone at the dealership.

 

[Parrot Face]

I think I'd be asking the Rapido owner why he is selling after only 10 months.

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[Mart 63]

He is selling because his daughter doesn't want to go in it now. She was 12 when he ordered it, and he had a 2 year wait for the van. She is 14 and doesn't want to go in it now. He now wants the cash to put towards a beach apartment.

 

[Grummyb]

I think you've already decided your having the Rapido

 

[Mart 63]

I think I'm talking myself into it

 

[Podney]

Eyes left! Go for it!

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

Just a quick ten pence worth again, but how many will be travelling in the van ,normally or with extended family, and how many full forward facing belts does it have.
Only asking as you have now got a story of the 14yr old not wanting to travel in the Rapido.
If your seller was travelling with a partner and daughter, they would need at least 3 belted seats.
Intrigued at this dilemma that you now face re vehicle suitability and price differential, I had a quick look at this model and was confused at it's seating suitability, despite being specced as a 4 berth?
Not wanting to put a damper on anything you are doing in any way, but just thought I would raise an important point on a confusing area often overlooked.
Good luck though and I wish you well.

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[Mart 63]

Just a quick ten pence worth again, but how many will be travelling in the van ,normally or with extended family, and how many full forward facing belts does it have.
Only asking as you have now got a story of the 14yr old not wanting to travel in the Rapido.
If your seller was travelling with a partner and daughter, they would need at least 3 belted seats.
Intrigued at this dilemma that you now face re vehicle suitability and price differential, I had a quick look at this model and was confused at it's seating suitability, despite being specced as a 4 berth?
Not wanting to put a damper on anything you are doing in any way, but just thought I would raise an important point on a confusing area often overlooked.
Good luck though and I wish you well.

It's seating for 4, there is just me, the wife and dog.

 

[Mart 63]

We never made it to view van, we got stuck in Valencia. What we seen there was devastating and looked apocalyptic. Never seen anything like it, around 3 kilometres of wrecked cars, vans and wagons.
We are at hotel now, across the road from the garage. Will be viewing early in the morning.

 

[pappajohn]

As the original owner I would have told my daughter to lump it or like it.
Unless he has no back bone and he's now buying a beach apartment because his daughter now wants one.
If that were the case I would sell the girl to the highest bidder.

 

[carolyn]

As the original owner I would have told my daughter to lump it or like it.
Unless he has no back bone and he's now buying a beach apartment because his daughter now wants one.
If that were the case I would sell the girl to the highest bidder.

Holidays cooped up with a sullen , miserable 14 year old girl. No chance in hell. He made the right choice!

 

[Mart 63]

Managed to view the van this morning, very impressed with it. Took it out for a drive with the guy from the garage and found it impressive to drive. The automatic is something I can get used to, I kept going for the clutch. A couple of niggles, which the garage said will be sorted. So hopefully I will be picking it up next week.