Production of domestic and motorhome gas boilers to to end in twelve years time.

[Snowbird]

Who is THEY?

THEM and US. Surely you know how THAT works.

 

[olley]

Air source heat pumps are relatively cheap to fit to existing housing, the problem is its low grade heat so existing heating systems will leave you freezing in winter unless you boost the water temperature with full price leccy making it as dear as gas.
On new build using underfloor heating and high standards of insulation it works.

 

[Vipar]

Will gas cookers be next?

Probably sell my gas shares

 

[Ivory55]

Will gas cookers be next?

Probably sell my gas shares

Have you told Sid, haha

 

[Ockerron]

So my central heating boiler contributes towards 17% of UK climate pollution? Most articles I've read estimate that the UK contributes 1% or less of world pollution, so I don't really see how ridding the UK of gas boilers is going to make the slightest difference, especially considering China, India and the USA together contribute about 50% of world pollution.
Just saying

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[gus-lopez]

itted a woodburner which is classed as 100% carbon neutral

True but unless you religiously burn seasoned wood , most don't, then they don't comply with the smokeless zones & clean air act.

All this will happen. In the same way that we moved away from coal and town gas and chimneys in the sixties/seventies.

As above & have now gone back that way with wood burners & people burning waste paper, magazines, old pallets ,etc.

Who is THEY?

The government in charge in whatever country

especially considering China, India and the USA together contribute about 50% of world pollution.

Don't they say the richest 1% of the population contribute 52% of the world's carbon pollution, which is more than the bottom 50% of the world population.

This

is the temperature in my lounge. As long as whatever new system can maintain this temperature at the same average cost of 5€/week I have no problems. If not we'll be sticking with what we have.

 

[Snowbird]

True but unless you religiously burn seasoned wood , most don't, then they don't comply with the smokeless zones & clean air act.

Living in the centre of Liverpool I have no choice but to burn 100% seasoned wood. All my wood is correctly seasoned by me for a minimum of 3 years before burning. Having had woodburners for over 40 years, long before most UK woodburner owners knew what a woodburner was, am well versed in what will and will not burn in them. Even Leylandi and pine will burn without issues if seasoned correctly.

 

[matt34]

I dont think it will happen ! think we will go to hydrogen they can pump the supply from exsisting gas pipes and then as they did years ago modify boilers that are already there just my thought's.

 

[mitzimad]

Electric....THEY have invested shed loads of money in wind farms and solar farms and now have so much electric THEY dont know what to do with it. One of the main reasons they are pushing everyone to buy an electric car. Once we are all on electric THEY will put the price up. Thats how THEY work.

back in the sixties nuclear power was going to be so cheap it wouldnt be worth sending you a bill

 

[joe and sue]

Anyone keen on an electric BBQ??
Just a thought
I can see life going one of 2 ways,
1. everything internet based, shopping, virtual days out, virtual holidays, all travel banned, just log in to your preferred destination

2. we revert to living in caves & foraging / hunting for all food etc

Not sure if i fancy either of these

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[The Wino]

I think the cost of energy will determine how people heat their homes and if we move towards less gas used there will be an increased carbon tax on gas with probably a subsidy to install replacements.

 

[maison]

Just a thought.......

If we all install heat pumps, taking heat from the atmosphere to transfer to our homes will that reduce global warming?

I think the laws of conservation of energy may intervene.

 

[Marmite]

Rather than penalise those using gas to heat their homes, why don't we have a policy to reduce the number of cats and dogs. That should reduce CO2 emmisions . the animals themselves, food production, etc.....

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

That was a recommendation from a committee. It is not government policy. I can't actually seeing it become policy either for the simple reason is that 2033 is only 8 years after 2025. How long does a boiler last? Someone who buys a new build with a gas boiler in 2024 probably won't be happy being forced to replace it in 2033.

I can see a compromise being that by 2035 no new gas boilers will be allowed in existing installations. That gives us 15 years to ramp up generation capacity.

I was under the impression that a combi gas boiler for domestic use only had a life expectancy of between 7 and 9years.

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

Anyone keen on an electric BBQ??
Just a thought
I can see life going one of 2 ways,
1. everything internet based, shopping, virtual days out, virtual holidays, all travel banned, just log in to your preferred destination

2. we revert to living in caves & foraging / hunting for all food etc

Not sure if i fancy either of these

Out of the 2, I would have a crack at option 2 as a preference.
But then I did always like the scouts!

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[gus-lopez]

Rather than penalise those using gas to heat their homes, why don't we have a policy to reduce the number of cats and dogs. That should reduce CO2 emmisions . the animals themselves, food production, etc.....

Why not your kids? There is no difference, all are God's creatures & have more right than we do,seeing as they haven't ****ed it all up ?

 

[Snowbird]

back in the sixties nuclear power was going to be so cheap it wouldnt be worth sending you a bill

Exactly, North Sea gas was going to be free. LPG was going to be the clean fuel of the future, until the powers that be realised they could only charge 50% of the price of fossil fuels. Biodiesel was a carbon neutral fuel that was cheap to produce, but hay ho nothing in it for them when they realised that Joe Public could legally produce 2000 litres per year for his own consumption without paying road fuel duty. Like I have always said, if there is nothing in it for THEM, it wont happen. THEM and US.

 

[Funnymunny]

At a rough guess if the Govt stick to their idea of all electric cars and doing away with gas heating etc then they will need at least another 5 nuclear power stations to supply the neccessary electric power. Seeing as they seem to need 20 years to plan one and 10 years to build then they have not got a cat in hells chance of actually doing it.

 

[Gromett]

I was under the impression that a combi gas boiler for domestic use only had a life expectancy of between 7 and 9years.

I was sure it was 15 years. Just checked and it is 10-15 years. Although some people keep them going for many decades.

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[Gromett]

At a rough guess if the Govt stick to their idea of all electric cars and doing away with gas heating etc then they will need at least another 5 nuclear power stations to supply the neccessary electric power. Seeing as they seem to need 20 years to plan one and 10 years to build then they have not got a cat in hells chance of actually doing it.

Nuclear doesn't need to be BIG and EXPENSIVE and take forever to build. Boris has indicated he is looking into SMR. With Rolls Royce and their expertise in submarine reactors it should be really relatively quick to deploy them once developed.

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[Gromett]

The government in charge in whatever country

Didn't seem to be the government he was talking about? He said this.

Electric....THEY have invested shed loads of money in wind farms and solar farms and now have so much electric THEY dont know what to do with it. One of the main reasons they are pushing everyone to buy an electric car. Once we are all on electric THEY will put the price up. Thats how THEY work.

THEY have invested she loads of money in wind farms... seems to me to indicate THEY are the companies? But then it flips to pushing everyone to buy an electric car which seems to indicate government. Then the THEY is put the prices up which indicates the generators?

That is why I asked I was confused.

If THEY is business then they can't collude to put prices up without breaking competition law. If they don't collude then market economics will ensure that if supply is kept high enough then prices will fall.
If THEY is the government, they won't stay in power very long if they start putting up taxes and raising the costs for the poorest in society.

I love living in a democracy.

 

[Rob Hammond]

Rather than penalise those using gas to heat their homes, why don't we have a policy to reduce the number of cats and dogs. That should reduce CO2 emmisions . the animals themselves, food production, etc.....

Humans are the polluters lets reduce them

 

[Ivory55]

I can see a black market of Chinese knock off copies off gas boilers being sold to meet demand.

 

[EuroTrotters]

9 years will be about right for the life of a gas boiler with the trash they churn out today.
Sisters gas boiler is well over 30 years old, the old chap who services it every year said please don't get a new one they are cheaply built rubbish.

Our uk one is 30 years old.

I replaced the old Vailant boiler in Spain with a Daikin Condensing boiler. I’ve not seen much of a reduction in gas Consconsumption.

The one I fitted in Spain can be combined with an air source heat pump. Though I doubt I will get around to it

 

[Bognor Saint]

The male gender will understand but not so sure about the others, heating to them is still a bit of a mystery as

The male gender will understand but not so sure about the others, heating to them is still a bit of a mystery as long as it is warm to get up to.

I gave up years ago trying to explain to my wife the purpose of a thermostat. She's cold, turns it up to maximum, she's then hot so turns it down and opens windows. Then cold again etc etc. Same with climate control in car.

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[buttons]

I gave up years ago trying to explain to my wife the purpose of a thermostat. She's cold, turns it up to maximum, she's then hot so turns it down and opens windows. Then cold again etc etc. Same with climate control in car.

This is so true BS, I live with two women, one is always hot and one is always cold. Its a lost cause...just smile and let them get on with it.

 

[olley]

Our uk one is 30 years old.

I replaced the old Vailant boiler in Spain with a Daikin Condensing boiler. I’ve not seen much of a reduction in gas Consconsumption.

The one I fitted in Spain can be combined with an air source heat pump. Though I doubt I will get around to it

Fitting a Condensing boiler to an old system rarely works, your return water temperature needs to be below 54c or 129F for the flue gases to condense and release heat, an older system will have been designed with a return temperature of nearer 76c or 170F, if you try to reduce the return temperature your rads will give out less heat and you will be cold, so you have a non-condensating boiler, but you can at least feel a nice warm glow inside knowing you have tried to do your bit to reduce global warming.
To achieve this modern systems should have larger rads working at a lower temperature or even better underfloor heating, but people feel cold so wack the boiler temperature up and that stops it condensating properly.

 

[Oldbob]

Have you told Sid, haha

No, can't find him, anyone seen him ?

 

[Snowbird]

Didn't seem to be the government he was talking about? He said this.



THEY have invested she loads of money in wind farms... seems to me to indicate THEY are the companies? But then it flips to pushing everyone to buy an electric car which seems to indicate government. Then the THEY is put the prices up which indicates the generators?

That is why I asked I was confused.

If THEY is business then they can't collude to put prices up without breaking competition law. If they don't collude then market economics will ensure that if supply is kept high enough then prices will fall.
If THEY is the government, they won't stay in power very long if they start putting up taxes and raising the costs for the poorest in society.

I love living in a democracy.

Let me clarify if you are somewhat confused. Big business spends shed loads of money on bringing to the market something that Joe Public thinks is going to be a good thing for Joe Public, but in reality its only really a good thing for big business. As well as Big business spending shed loads of money on this new product they also spend another shed load of money on people with the gift of the gab to lobby politicians into thinking this will be the next good scam to fleece Joe Public out of his hard earned. Anyone that thinks big business and big brother dont work hand in hand with each other is not really thinking it through correctly. When I was young and starting in business my grandfather gave me two pieces of advice that have have stood me in good stead. The first was, "Earning it is the easy bit, hanging on to it is the hardest bit." the second was "Them and us, never forget, them and us."

 

[gus-lopez]

With Rolls Royce and their expertise in submarine reactors it should be really relatively quick to deploy them once developed.

But we would Need waterproof plugs?

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