Poor Daisy

One of our retrievers, Tasha, snapped her cruciates in her back legs when she was young on two occasions They were both operated on, no plates required, after a period of rest she recovered well and had no further problems through out the rest of her life. I’d get a second option on Daisy & then do what your heart tells you. She will come through it, she has love on her side. It is hard when you can see they are hurting, you just want to make It better.
 
jdk62 said:
Thanks for all the advice

Interestingly the vet we are using was recommended when we relocated here from Oxfordshire. We spent a lot of time visiting various vets and viewing their set ups and the specialisms within them before opting for this one. The vet we chose does actually specialise in orthopaedic surgery and post op rehab

However, I entirely agree about the second opinion, which we will be looking for tomorrow
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Sounds like you are on the case with this. My experience from the dog rescue and personally, not all vets are great at orthopaedic surgery. Most owners just take what their vet says as gospel for the best care of their animal, sadly it isn't always. A good vet will respect an owner that discusses best care and second specialist opinions

Plus I have followed the super vet, Noel Fitzpatrick for years with his "can do" attitude to fixing animals. He has pioneered prosthetic surgery and new surgical techniques. He presents lectures to fellow surgeons round the world and is slowly bringing veterinary surgery into the 21st century. By comparison, many surgical techniques used on animals are more in keeping with the Napoleonic battle field surgeon on humans

keyhole surgery on some repairs can be possible and the healing process so much faster. Only a specialist will know if this is possible for Daisy
 
Our springer ruptured both his cruciates at the same time age 5. He was referred to a specialist clinic, Anderson Moores at Winchester. We were given the choice of 2 separate operations or both together. We opted for the latter as it would mean only one period of rehab. Charlie will be 13 in April and within 6 months of the procedures he was running around in his usual headless chicken way. The procedure is called TPLO and is very successful.
 
We can second Anderson Moores at Winchester and also Jane Oatley at Ringwood
 
TheBig1 said:
We can second Anderson Moores at Winchester and also Jane Oatley at Ringwood
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I think we have both endorsed Anderson Moores previously. Charlie had a second visit there in Oct for a laryngeal tieback. I think you posted your experience of this condition.
 
Bognor Saint said:
I think we have both endorsed Anderson Moores previously. Charlie had a second visit there in Oct for a laryngeal tieback. I think you posted your experience of this condition.
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exactly (y) Hope Charlie is doing well post op too?
 
TheBig1 said:
Sounds like you are on the case with this. My experience from the dog rescue and personally, not all vets are great at orthopaedic surgery. Most owners just take what their vet says as gospel for the best care of their animal, sadly it isn't always. A good vet will respect an owner that discusses best care and second specialist opinions

Plus I have followed the super vet, Noel Fitzpatrick for years with his "can do" attitude to fixing animals. He has pioneered prosthetic surgery and new surgical techniques. He presents lectures to fellow surgeons round the world and is slowly bringing veterinary surgery into the 21st century. By comparison, many surgical techniques used on animals are more in keeping with the Napoleonic battle field surgeon on humans

keyhole surgery on some repairs can be possible and the healing process so much faster. Only a specialist will know if this is possible for Daisy
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I spoke with the practice owner tonight and he pointed out that they are an Orthopeadic Referral Centre for many vets in the South East, so we feel more comfortable.

We have used Anderson & Moore’s for Indy but not Orthopeadic treatment. They were very good.
 
jdk62 said:
I spoke with the practice owner tonight and he pointed out that they are an Orthopeadic Referral Centre for many vets in the South East, so we feel more comfortable.

We have used Anderson & Moore’s for Indy but not Orthopeadic treatment. They were very good.
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That's great then, not just a typical small animal practice (y)
 
Horrible night last night worrying about the outcomes of Daisy’s scans today. However, we have received some really great news. She has not snapped her cruciate ligament.... She has a small tear in it, but that is not the cause of the main leg problem.. each of her toes has a fracture.

Leg immobilised and splintered to try to help knit the bones together, if they fail to knit then operation required to put in temporary plates and screws, but the senior Orthopeadic surgeon is hopeful that will not be necessary. She is confined to a pen and no exercise, activity etc for 4- 5 weeks and must be taken into the garden on a short lead for the toilet.

This time should also allow time fir the ligament tear to repair itself too.

She will need some physio on the ligament once the fractures have healed.

Cannot tell you how relieved we are, so whilst she is going to be limited for a period the fact that their is no need for a major operation is so fantastic.

Thank you for your words of support and encouragement.

Think we will have a bit of wine tonight ( not Daisy.....)
 
That’s great news. You deserve to relax with a nice glass or two tonight. I hope Daisy’s toes and the tear heel without to much discomfort for her.
Phew 👍
 
Just read all this really hope Daisy makes a good recovery.
 
Glad to hear it's not the worst outcome for poor Daisy and you've got a good vet.
Had a similar thing with our daughter's 5 month old Goldie recently but not quite so bad, I think. A fracture in a front leg when she slipped her harness and ran off down a busy road. Lucky to be alive. She had a pin inserted at the Supervet and has come through it. It's going to be hard for you to keep such a young dog on limited exercise especially with a 2nd dog in the house. They just want to frolic and game about.
Best of luck, I'm sure it will all be ok and one day this will be a distant memory.
Karen

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Sad she is in pain, but delighted that it is not fully ruptured, just a minor tear. I wonder what the hell she did to break her toes, something falling? We had a dog in rescue that got run over and broke his toes, limped for a month or so and made a full recovery with new owners. We think it helped them bond, but the dog used it to his gain. If he ever got told off he started limping or lifting his foot for sympathy even years on. Crafty old sod, but everyone loved him
 
reckless said:
Glad to hear it's not the worst outcome for poor Daisy and you've got a good vet.
Had a similar thing with our daughter's 5 month old Goldie recently but not quite so bad, I think. A fracture in a front leg when she slipped her harness and ran off down a busy road. Lucky to be alive. She had a pin inserted at the Supervet and has come through it. It's going to be hard for you to keep such a young dog on limited exercise especially with a 2nd dog in the house. They just want to frolic and game about.
Best of luck, I'm sure it will all be ok and one day this will be a distant memory.
Karen
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Thank you.

Old Indy is sitting outside the pen moaning and Daisy is inside it moaning too.... It’s like a stereo..

Am sure it is going to be tough over the coming week, but we need to just tough it out to make sure she recovers correctly.
 
TheBig1 said:
Sad she is in pain, but delighted that it is not fully ruptured, just a minor tear. I wonder what the hell she did to break her toes, something falling? We had a dog in rescue that got run over and broke his toes, limped for a month or so and made a full recovery with new owners. We think it helped them bond, but the dog used it to his gain. If he ever got told off he started limping or lifting his foot for sympathy even years on. Crafty old sod, but everyone loved him
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We have absolutely no idea how she hurt herself, she had only been in the garden for 5 mins. Nothing fallen over, no holes etc.

We are just so pleased she avoided the major operation and she w
 
jdk62 said:
We are absolutely gutted.... vet has advised that contrary to what they thought, after X-rays etc, they have found that she has severly damaged her cruciate ligament. so much so that she needs a major operation involving plates, screws etc...

However, because she is so young and her bones not fully formed, they think they may need to wait a couple of months before doing the operation. If that were to be the case, poor Daisy will be on pain relief etc., for the intervening period.

She is going back tomorrow for further scans, following which they will know if the do have to wait or can carry out the operation on Monday (subject to the stainless steel plates and screws etc arriving on time..)

The poor Beauty Therapist is heartbroken... I bought her Daisy to help her get over the loss of her beloved horse Winston whom she for 27 years (He was kicked and shattered his rear leg in multiple places and had to be put down) but she can't understand why all this is happening to her pets...

Bless little Daisy, she is trying to hop around, wagging her tail and wanting to play with old Indy....
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My first Rottweiler did her cruciate at 12 months back in 1975. The operation was very new then and she was referred to Glasgow vet school. The price - a mere £12! She had to have the other done the following year and the price had increased to £18. She made a complete recovery going back in the show ring.
I would always recommend the Vet schools as they are most used to doing the operations. The local vet may only do one or two.

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Fraggle 22 said:
My first Rottweiler did her cruciate at 12 months back in 1975. The operation was very new then and she was referred to Glasgow vet school. The price - a mere £12! She had to have the other done the following year and the price had increased to £18. She made a complete recovery going back in the show ring.
I would always recommend the Vet schools as they are most used to doing the operations. The local vet may only do one or two.
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Our first Golden Retriever back in 1985 was 8 months old when he tried to jump a dwarf wall and cartwheeled over it. Result was a very badly broken front leg. Our vet referred us to the Veterinary School at Bristol which although part of Bristol university was nearer Weston super Mere.

They were fantastic. Removed some bone to straighten the damaged leg and inserted what looked like a dickie bow shaped brick tie. We spent a lot of time on the M4 and M5 going backwards and forwards for post op work and physio. Bruce lived till he was 11 and had a full life even though his right front leg was a shade shorter than his left.
From recollection, I think the op cost us £80.

Had Daisy needed the full TPLO op on her cruciate ligament, the cost with post op physio and hydrotherapy would of been in the order of £5-£6K....:oops:.
 
Our little dog needed an operation for both cruciate ligaments. Done at Anderson Moors, cost £5,500 in total and we didn't have insurance. We got some insurance after that.
 
Not much fun being confined to quarters...

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Aaaaw poor girl, give her a hug from me. Is she on painkillers?

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irnbru said:
Aaaaw poor girl, give her a hug from me. Is she on painkillers?
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Will do.

Yes she is on Meloxidyl.

she is so fed up bless her and clearly can’t understand why she can’t run around, has to have a waterproof over boot out on every time she needs to go out to the toilet and why she has a rubber ring round her neck....
 
Sending, not just Daisy, but ALL of you a hug. You have all been through the mill in your own way and been a great support to your extended four legged family.

Amazing support. X
 
Glad to here Daisy is getting better. At that age it must be confusing not being able to make use of all that energy.
Sadly our Max is getting worse. He sleeps all day and has started having seizures this last few evenings. We are bracing our selfs for the inevitable.
When our sons epilepsy started his first seizures were at the same time as Max. Max new as soon as our sons seizures were starting by standing in front of him staring or standing out side his bedroom door.
 
bigwood said:
Glad to here Daisy is getting better. At that age it must be confusing not being able to make use of all that energy.
Sadly our Max is getting worse. He sleeps all day and has started having seizures this last few evenings. We are bracing our selfs for the inevitable.
When our sons epilepsy started his first seizures were at the same time as Max. Max new as soon as our sons seizures were starting by standing in front of him staring or standing out side his bedroom door.
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Thank you.

Am so sorry to hear about poor Max. The intutition and understanding of dogs is amazing. Hope all goes as well as it can.

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