Petition to the parliament

[tonyidle]

I have no intention of visiting Europe if they continue their policy of discrimination against a sovereign state that exercised its democratic right to leave their club . As a staunch Brexiteer i was also a staunch Europhile i just didn’t want to be a part of the EU experiment .
As an entity they are day after day after day proving that my vote was cast correctly.

And this is not a political post it is simply a post in support of democracy and universal sufferage .

I don't see any discrimination. We are simply being treated the same as any other non-member country.

 

[Coolcats]

I don't see any discrimination. We are simply being treated the same as any other non-member country.

Agreed it’s their rules for 3rd party countries and not surprised, the government probably has more pressing issues to sort out. such as the arts who have are struggling with visas and the associated costs along with fishing exports.

The good news is we can still go on Holliday to Europe and many only spend a few weeks / month or so. So not a big deal for the majority but feel for those who would like longer but I guess tourist visas can be applied for.

 

[Nomadian]

I have no intention of visiting Europe if they continue their policy of discrimination against a sovereign state that exercised its democratic right to leave their club . As a staunch Brexiteer i was also a staunch Europhile i just didn’t want to be a part of the EU experiment .
As an entity they are day after day after day proving that my vote was cast correctly.

And this is not a political post it is simply a post in support of democracy and universal sufferage .

more room for them that are going then

 

[gus-lopez]

EU citizens are allowed that privilege in the UK then why has that not been negotiated as a reciprocal agreement?

That I Explained many posts ago. The uk took the lazy way out and just lumped them in with non-EU @180 days rather than ask them to register after 90 days or become a resident or leave.

 

[Speve]

That I Explained many posts ago. The uk took the lazy way out and just lumped them in with non-EU @180 days rather than ask them to register after 90 days or become a resident or leave.

Quite agree gus-lopez its now down to likes of ourselves to badger our MPs to try and get something going

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[Boris7]

Quite agree gus-lopez its now down to likes of ourselves to badger our MPs to try and get something going

Good luck with that, but I doubt the E.U. will play ball.

 

[Speve]

Good luck with that, but I doubt the E.U. will play ball.

Thanks you don’t know unless you ask and try to get some joy

 

[MitchandJenny]

This is a email I sent to my member of parliament Andrew rosindell.and this is he's reply.
Hi Andrew rosindell it looks like as a British citizen we are being treated unfairly compared to an EU citizen who can stay in our country for 180 days consecutively whereas we have to jump through hoops to stay longer than 90 days yours martin.
Wednesday 10th February 2021



Dear Martin

Thank you very much for contacting me, regarding reciprocal travel agreements with the E.U.

I wanted you to know that I have received your message and am grateful to you for taking the time to raise this matter with me personally.

I agree that we should have a fair international travel system with the E.U., which includes both U.K. and E.U. nationals having the same opportunities for travel.

As your local M.P., I was also very concerned to learn about these unequal rules and I raised my concerns with the Rt. Hon. Michael Gove M.P., and submitted a Written Parliamentary Question about the issue.

It was explained that before negotiations began, the E.U. had already legislated that U.K. nationals would not need a visa when travelling to the Schengen area for short stays of up to 90 days in any 180-day period. This was in line with their standard visa-free travel length for all third-party countries entering the Schengen Zone.



Individual Member States may allow longer stays, for example in line with the U.K.’s offering of 180 days, but this would need to be a bi-lateral agreement between the U.K. and each Member State, rather than the E.U. as a whole.



The problem is that the E.U. are not reasonable and see things a political battle, instead of agreeing straightforward and sensible bi-lateral arrangements which benefit everyone, as we do.



I will continue to raise this with ministers, and although we have a deal with the E.U., I hope that negotiations will continue with individual states until a more fair and equal travel agreement is reached with each country.

If you would like to discuss this or any other issue with me further, please do not hesitate to get in touch at any time.

With every good wish.

What good point you raised and HOW WELL your MP responded !! bloody amazed and delighted, as I’m sure you must also be.
Brexit has shown us all how unequal things are with the EU. ( in my opinion ). And indeed can only improve with communication direct with individual states. Another 2/3 years and when the brinkmanship diminishes I HOPE the status quo will return.
Mitch.

 

[MitchandJenny]

PS to my last, I must now do the same !
Good luck to us all.
Mitch

 

[Vipar]

I suspect that the total number of tourists that want to stay more than 180 days is a very very small minority. You only have clout with numbers.
I would like to see something like
I am not going to your country to live or work. I am going to seek relaxation and enjoy your culture and the sun. When do you expect to return home ? You state a date and if you over stay you will get an overstay charge per day payable at the town hall of said country.

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[Rapido925M]

What good point you raised and HOW WELL your MP responded !! bloody amazed and delighted, as I’m sure you must also be.
Brexit has shown us all how unequal things are with the EU. ( in my opinion ). And indeed can only improve with communication direct with individual states. Another 2/3 years and when the brinkmanship diminishes I HOPE the status quo will return.
Mitch.

Do you mean things like: they have more people? they have a bigger economy? they have more countries?

I knew all of those things a long time ago.

As a boy I loved the story of David and Goliath: do you think that will apply in our dealings with them?

Gordon

 

[Rob Hammond]

Do you mean things like: they have more people? they have a bigger economy? they have more countries?

I knew all of those things a long time ago.

As a boy I loved the story of David and Goliath: do you think that will apply in our dealings with them?

Gordon

Money talks

 

[Rapido925M]

Money talks

And few currencies speak louder than the US$

However, they don't have a Trade Deal with the EU and they are restricted to 90 days in 180.

So don't hold your breath

Gordon

 

[69473]

Surely the EU is just taking back control of its borders.
Problems such as this and others should not come as a surprise, many MP's never read or understood the Brexit agreement.
The EU will do what it's always done and look after what benefits the member states.
We are now a Third country and will be treated as such.

 

[Top Hat]

Do you mean things like: they have more people? they have a bigger economy? they have more countries?

I knew all of those things a long time ago.

As a boy I loved the story of David and Goliath: do you think that will apply in our dealings with them?

Gordon

In respect of tourism between the UK and EU the UK is the Goliath, figures from 2019 there was 72 million tourist visits to the eu spending £38 billion, tourists from EU to UK 7 million.
I would think it is in there interest to keep us happy.

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[Clipgate]

Those figures are incorrect, an amalgamation of trade. Like a lot of things Misinformation.
I in the 80s was in need of an income and worked in Europe, you focus it seems on a narrow interest group, that option is no longer available to out younger people.

 

[69473]

Haven't we herd this argument before with the German car industry?
So large and dependant on UK sales we were bound to get a good deal !
Makes me laugh or is it cry

 

[Brains]

In respect of tourism between the UK and EU the UK is the Goliath, figures from 2019 there was 72 million tourist visits to the eu spending £38 billion, tourists from EU to UK 7 million.
I would think it is in there interest to keep us happy.

The vast majority of those 72m tourist visits to the EU will have been for 14 nights or less.

I'm surprised at the 72m figure, as it's about the same as the entire UK population.
I suspect the figure may include business visits.

Over the last 30 years I have done between 5 and 15 business visits plus 1-2 tourist visits within the EU each and every year. (I used to clock up about 250,000 air miles a year)
Therefore as it stands the EU does not need to change much to accommodate the UK being outside the EU.

Tourists that stay over 90 days, and spend money whist doing so, mostly Motorhome owners and richer OAP's, are a miniscule minority, tens of thousands at most.

Remember: We need them more than they need us.

 

[Top Hat]

The vast majority of those 72m tourist visits to the EU will have been for 14 nights or less.

I'm surprised at the 72m figure, as it's about the same as the entire UK population.
I suspect the figure may include business visits.

Over the last 30 years I have done between 5 and 15 business visits plus 1-2 tourist visits within the EU each and every year. (I used to clock up about 250,000 air miles a year)
Therefore as it stands the EU does not need to change much to accommodate the UK being outside the EU.

Tourists that stay over 90 days, and spend money whist doing so, mostly Motorhome owners and richer OAP's, are a miniscule minority, tens of thousands at most.

Remember: We need them more than they need us.

We go on holiday upto 3 times a year and know lots of others that go more than once also, I would not be supprised if business trip are also in the figures that will go for the eu figures also.
I think we all agree the EU will do nothing unless its to their benefit and changing from 90/180 To 180/360 and keeping tens thousands of cash cows happy has no down side for them.

 

[MitchandJenny]

Do you mean things like: they have more people? they have a bigger economy? they have more countries?

I knew all of those things a long time ago.

As a boy I loved the story of David and Goliath: do you think that will apply in our dealings with them?

Gordon

I meant they are not responding in an open, honest and equitable way on just about everything !!
They are trying to appease their own member states and appeal to them for continued solidarity.
I also believe that our hoped for and eventual success, is not in their interests, as it holds, for them, the fear that other restless unhappy states will see us and wish to emulate our freedom and prosperity.
Re David and the other guy, it is not a prerequisite of success that we have to BEAT our opposition... just be better than them. !!
There are many ways that can be achieved
and we will !!
I have no desire to be drawn into a protracted argument, I was expressing my satisfaction at the actions of one our elected representatives... which elicited my response.
I remember Mr Barnier being caught off camera stating “We shall make the Brexit process so difficult, that no other member State will ever try again”.
In my opinion he should have been removed from negotiations immediately....
Mitch.

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[Brains]

The EU does not want FLT's and OAP's who keep themselves to themselves staying over 90 (or 180) days, as they do not benefit the local economy enough to warrant a long tourist visa.

In a number of countries that I have been to, you need to prove you have spent a minimum amount of US Dollars per day of your visit, if you can't, then they simply deduct that amount before you leave the country.

If you are staying in a decent hotel, it's not a problem to prove, but anything self catered causes problems.
In order to leave from a business trip to Venezuela, where I had been staying in a company flat, I had to get the Venezuelan company to send me a 'hotel' bill to prove that I had spent a lot of yankee dollars before I was given an exit stamp.
Travel to the old East Germany meant you had to convert $25 per day into 'Ost Marks' and you could not change them back, it meant the only way we could spend that amount of money in a night was to drink most of it away in a bar!

 

[Brains]

I have no desire to be drawn into a protracted argument, I was expressing my satisfaction at the actions of one our elected representatives... which elicited my response.
I remember Mr Barnier being caught off camera stating “We shall make the Brexit process so difficult, that no other member State will ever try again”.
In my opinion he should have been removed from negotiations immediately....

I remember M. Barnier's opposite number, Boris, was equally caught off camera say "F**k Business"
In my opinion he should have been removed from negotiations immediately....

 

[Rapido925M]

Yes, I was impressed to find a Leave-supporting MP, elected recently on a platform of "get Brexit done", admitting that he didn't know what the rules about travel were.

Gordon

I have no desire to be drawn into a protracted argument, I was expressing my satisfaction at the actions of one our elected representatives... which elicited my response.

Mitch.

As your local M.P., I was also very concerned to learn about these unequal rules and I raised my concerns with the Rt. Hon. Michael Gove M.P., and submitted a Written Parliamentary Question about the issue.

It was explained that before negotiations began, the E.U. had already legislated that U.K. nationals would not need a visa when travelling to the Schengen area for short stays of up to 90 days in any 180-day period. This was in line with their standard visa-free travel length for all third-party countries entering the Schengen Zone.