Payloads

Bailey 15

Bailey 15

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Just out of curiosity
Why is it when watching u tubers or any sales of motorhomes they never ( or hardly ever) mention Payloads?

Last nite I was watching u tube couple go around vans at NEC and not once did they mention payloads🤷‍♀️
It’s really important do just wandered 🤔
 
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Bailey 15 said:
Just out of curiosity
Why is it when watching u tubers or any sales of motorhomes they never ( or hardly ever) mention Payloads?

Last nite I was watching u tube couple go around vans at NEC and not once did they mention payloads🤷‍♀️
It’s really important do just wandered 🤔
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They don't want to ask because they know they will not like the answer. Called head in the sand.
 
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Jim said:
The NCC could stipulate a minimum payload for a van to be approved. Rather, in effect they say "BUYER BEWARE" purchasers should ensure a motorhome has the payload they need. What a copout.
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Maybe buyers from dealers should stipulate the payload they want, so if a dealer sells them one which proves to have less they can reject it as not being fit for purpose.

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I have always wanted to get our weight checked when we are setting out on a trip, when it is likely to be at a maximum. Unfortunately Mrs KNWH takes so long to load up that there is never time on the day.
The best I could manage was to weigh it after we had got back, weigh everything we’d already unloaded and then add that back in.
So, did a spreadsheet, estimated the rough front/rear bias for items removed, and added two sliders so I could vary the fuel and water loads between 0 and 100%
Setting both fuel and water to 100% the answer came out as…….

……exactly 3500kg!
How weird is that?

Now just need to persuade her that the items we have not used in the 6 years we’ve had the MH could, perhaps, be left behind?
If I never post again you can assume it didn’t go well.
 
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KNWH said:
I have always wanted to get our weight checked when we are setting out on a trip, when it is likely to be at a maximum. Unfortunately Mrs KNWH takes so long to load up that there is never time on the day.
The best I could manage was to weigh it after we had got back, weigh everything we’d already unloaded and then add that back in.
So, did a spreadsheet, estimated the rough front/rear bias for items removed, and added two sliders so I could vary the fuel and water loads between 0 and 100%
Setting both fuel and water to 100% the answer came out as…….

……exactly 3500kg!
How weird is that?

Now just need to persuade her that the items we have not used in the 6 years we’ve had the MH could, perhaps, be left behind?
If I never post again you can assume it didn’t go well.
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All based on an estimate that is not accurate but would take a lot longer than going to the weighbridge !
We loaded up and did a dedicated journey to get weighed, then went off on a trip the next day. Much easier.
 
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Happy Jack said:
All based on an estimate that is not accurate but would take a lot longer than going to the weighbridge !
We loaded up and did a dedicated journey to get weighed, then went off on a trip the next day. Much easier.
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Well yes, that would have been my preferred method, but it means getting Mrs KNWH to load everything in advance. That is a Utopian state I fear is impossible to achieve 🙁

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The Artilleryman said:
The only way is to get the actual MH weighed and subtract from plated GVW. There are too many variables to be able to state an accurate payload for a given model.
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A dated data plated could be fitted, any mods requiring a new plate. Once again this would mean a little thought before embodying the mod.

Of course all this would mean the authorities defining what is empty/unladen weight rather than the wooly DVLA idea. How on earth can you weigh a vehicle with no fuel in it, without knowing exactly how much fuel is onboard and it's specific gravity at that time. Do you know how much fuel your van actually holds? Is that when full on the gauge or when topped up to the filler neck? Is it a 65 or 90 litre tank etc.
How do we deal with older vans, no empty weight stated, manufacturer gone bust.
 
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Axle weights are more difficult to manage compared to GVW so payload isn't really a good way to measure how much $h1t you can carry
 
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cyberyacht said:
The pressure always seems to be on the rear axle limit, particularly if you have a longish overhang.
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My last van (twin rear wheel Iveco) was the opposite.

Had a 3,700kg rear axle limit and a 1,900kg front axle limit. Easy to overload the front and almost impossible to overload the rear
 
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Jim said:
The NCC could stipulate a minimum payload for a van to be approved. Rather, in effect they say "BUYER BEWARE" purchasers should ensure a motorhome has the payload they need. What a copout.
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I note that in their latest NCC guide for motorhome owners, they discuss payloads and safe loading of motorhomes, but rather than a practical guide to payload, it's a more master class on the word obfuscate. ALM, MTPLM, MRO, CL, MAL, TW, ULW ETC.

They don't encourage users to weigh before they buy, they don't mention that makers given figures have a 5% leeway. Oh, but they do mention that we should use litter bins or take litter home with us.

They must know that their members (the motorhome makers) are up against it for payload when the NCC actually advises owners not to travel with food, rather buy it on site! :doh: I kid you not

It is recommended that you buy food once you have arrived on the site to which you are travelling rather than travel with food on board to ensure you keep your vehicles loaded mass within the vehicles MTPLM.
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Decisions, decisions. Do you park up, walk to the shop and carry your 10kg of shopping back to the van. Or do you risk pulling into a shop close to your destination and then throwing caution to the wind, add that loaf, apples and 4 cans of Birra Moretti to your payload. You lawless rebel!

Bugger, what if you haven't eaten all the food when it's time to leave! :eek:

Thinking about it, check that payload , you might not be able to take that litter home after all. :doh:

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Jim said:
I note that in their latest NCC guide for motorhome owners, they discuss payloads and safe loading of motorhomes, but rather than a practical guide to payload, it's a more master class on the word obfuscate. ALM, MTPLM, MRO, CL, MAL, TW, ULW ETC.

They don't encourage users to weigh before they buy, they don't mention that makers given figures have a 5% leeway. Oh, but they do mention that we should use litter bins or take litter home with us.
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Hardly surprising as the NCC is financed by manufacturers and dealers, if they were honest about payloads they would sell hardly any vans.
Jim said:
They must know that their members (the motorhome makers) are up against it for payload when the NCC actually advises owners not to travel with food, rather buy it on site! :doh: I kid you not
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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Not many dealers mention payload in adverts which is annoying, should be basic info when listing a van for sale.
 
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It all does seem engineered to make the individual user accountable for everything and the companies (manufacturers and dealers) accountable for nothing.

It's a situation which calls for better regulation. But are the regulators anywhere to be seen, here or in any of the major motorhome manufacturing countries?
 
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Here is another paragraph from the NCC's guide

It is recommended that you visit the campsite toilet and evacuate your bowel before leaving the site to ensure you keep your vehicles loaded mass within the vehicles MTPLM.
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No, I'm joking, it's not in there, but given what they did include, I'm surprised it was missed. Maybe, if they see this, it will make a revised edition.
 
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KNWH said:
……exactly 3500kg!
How weird is that?
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Must be an error in your spreadsheet, it’s obviously resolving to 3500Kg. 😎

Ian

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To be fair to him, I moaned at Andrew Ditton a couple of years ago after one video about this very point, and he started later mentioning it.
Post it in their comments section.
 
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Jim said:
Here is another paragraph from the NCC's guide



No, I'm joking, it's not in there, but given what they did include, I'm surprised it was missed. Maybe, if they see this, it will make a revised edition.
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Perhaps cut your hair and shave ,might save a few grams 😵‍💫
 
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Jim said:
Decisions, decisions. Do you park up, walk to the shop and carry your 10kg of shopping back to the van. Or do you risk pulling into a shop close to your destination and then throwing caution to the wind, add that loaf, apples and 4 cans of Birra Moretti to your payload. You lawless rebel!

Bugger, what if you haven't eaten all the food when it's time to leave! :eek:
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What if you've eaten all the food, drunk all the drink...but still not 'been'....

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