Payload John ruffle

[G-RMPS]

I think I must have the 38L not 35L.

Ditto, apologies for causing confusion!

 

[Hettie's Crew]

My standard axle weights were 2000kg rear and 1850kg front on the 35L chassis also, on 215/70 15 tyres.

 

[Minxy]

When have a Carthago C-Compactline i-138 which is on the 35L chassis (extra lightweight version) which the dealer registered at 3700kg (Carthago only supply a COC with 3500kg or 3700kg for our model, no idea why as you can get 3850kg for other Compactlines). The axles were limited to 1850kg front and 2000kg rear so although we were registered at 3700kg we couldn't make any real use of the extra capacity at the rear which was where we needed. We subsequently had semi-air fitted on the rear by SAP for £2,000 which upped the rear axle from 2000kg to 2240kg and then SVTech* uprated us to 3850kg - as we already had 225/75 R16 tyres we didn't have to change them. [*I only used SVTech as the dealer was paying because it was there mistake for not telling us about it in the first place.]

We could go to 4005kg by fitting uprated springs to the front which would raise the capacity on that axle but there's no point as we don't even use what capacity we have already at that end so it doesn't make sense unless there was a really bad 'ride' issue with it, which there isn't.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

We could go to 4005kg by fitting uprated springs to the front

That’s what I thought but SVTech said no, still 3850kg max. We have the uprated (2000kg) Goldsmitt springs on the front already but for some reason SVTech would only plate the front at 1950kg.

 

[Pausim]

Just checked my original Al-Ko certificate and my Carthago Compactline i 143 was built on an AMC 38L chassis which has a permitted total weight of 3850, without further modification. It has been puzzling me why Carthago were happy to certificate my model at 3500kg or 3850kg but some models only had 3500kg or 3700kg options, on what I thought was the same chassis. Presumably with 3500kg or 3700kg options they are actually using the AMC 37L chassis. Thank you Hettie's Crew for pointing out the load differences between the 35L, 37L and 38L chassis. Interesting.

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[gus-lopez]

Our rear axle is now rated at 2240kg because of the air assist and the 225/70 15 112 index tyres. We never get anywhere near the 1850kg standard front weight limit (usually about

Just adding our axle weights would give us 4190kg

If those are your axle weights then JR was correct. It can always be uprated to the sum total of the axle weights. There is no requirement for a 'safety margin'

 

[Pausim]

If those are your axle weights then JR was correct. It can always be uprated to the sum total of the axle weights. There is no requirement for a 'safety margin'

Not according to Al-K0. Some of their chassis variants have a maximum weight limit of less than the sum of the two axle weights e.g. AMC 37L chassis has a maximum weight of 3700kg but the individual axle weights are 1850kg and 2000kg. Strange but that is what is shown in their technical details, you have to upgrade to the AMC 38L before the axle weights and maximum weight match.

 

[Minxy]

Not according to Al-K0. Some of their chassis variants have a maximum weight limit of less than the sum of the two axle weights e.g. AMC 37L chassis has a maximum weight of 3700kg but the individual axle weights are 1850kg and 2000kg. Strange but that is what is shown in their technical details, you have to upgrade to the AMC 38L before the axle weights and maximum weight match.

According to Carthago their Compactlines are build on the 35L chassis as standard, however ours has the 38L and 225/75 R16 tyres, no idea why though; it could be that UK dealers automatically order on the more 'accommodating' chassis so that owners can uprate to 3850kg as we have (and also the ability to increase the rear axle capacity from 200kg to 2240kg by adding semi-air).

In their 2019 specification/options brochure Carthago state they will only go up to 3700kg on our model thus why they won't provide a COC higher than that, something our dealer didn't 'realise' hence why they ended up paying for our uprating as we'd had the requirement for it to be registered at 3850kg written on the sales particulars thank goodness!

I suspect what can and can't be done is down to exactly what chassis the vehicle was built on and when. In the past the Alko extra lightweight chassis that Carthago build their Compactline range on weren't invented (they've been around for around 5 years I believe) so older MH chassis are likely as standard to be able to go to a higher carrying capacity with no mods.

 

[Rds559]

I up rated my van with JR, JR sent me a weight sticker, someone on here said that he stuck it on the passenger door post and not inside the engine next to the old one. Do you know if that’s correct or does it have to be in the engine compartment.

 

[CazPaul]

I up rated my van with JR, JR sent me a weight sticker, someone on here said that he stuck it on the passenger door post and not inside the engine next to the old one. Do you know if that’s correct or does it have to be in the engine compartment.

I stuck mine under the old one inside the habitation door

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[JockandRita]

I stuck mine under the old one inside the habitation door

I'll be doing the same, when I am in receipt.

On the Hymer, I got someone to make up a metal plate for me, with all the updated details stamped on it, and fixed that next to the original Fiat plate.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[peterc10]

I up rated my van with JR, JR sent me a weight sticker, someone on here said that he stuck it on the passenger door post and not inside the engine next to the old one. Do you know if that’s correct or does it have to be in the engine compartment.

AFAIK there is no rule as where it should be stuck. Hymer put theirs on the right hand skirt in front of the rear wheel.

 

[Minxy]

Our Alko weight plate is inside on the passenger side on the base of the wheel arch cover so I just put our new one next to it - being an A-class they couldn't put the plates on the 'original' door pillar as it didn't exist until the body was built!

 

[Robster100]

I just spoke with John about uprating my Burstner.

Very helpful!

Although gave me slightly different but better info than SVTECH.

SVTECH said if I add air assist to rear axle they could plate my van at 3850KG and rear axle at 2250Kg.

As it is already at 3850Kg (rear axle 2000Kg) this was not a big upgrade, although rear axle is my concern.

John said he could plate it at 4100Kg rear axle 2250Kg.

Seems like a really simple decision!!!!

 

[Oscar]

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[JockandRita]

John said he could plate it at 4100Kg rear axle 2250Kg.

Go for the highest you can, thereby reducing the possibility of inadvertently overloading.

Cheers,

Jock.