Passport Awareness

[DBK]

For heavens sake tribalbrit

I don’t actually know how much it costs to renew, but taking this 6 months being discussed you are losing 5% in value terms

possibly around £5 ?

to travel somewhere needing a more than 6 months passport life you will have handed over a few £K I would guess

move on to something worth getting this excited over

Just renewed mine today online, £75 for ten years. Mine doesn't run out until July so I'm losing about six months - at a cost of £3.75.

 

[Kannon Fodda]

As we are Brexiting are they still issuing the red EU member type passports or are have they reverted to the original UK blue yet?

 

[carolyn]

As we are Brexiting are they still issuing the red EU member type passports or are have they reverted to the original UK blue yet?

Red still last week.

 

[klaatu]

I don’t think the colour is anything to do with EU membership, the burgundy is only a recommendation.

 

[Brains]

I certainly hope so.

Really ........

I'm guessing your grandparents would not back you on that one, it what they fought world wars to ensure never happened.

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[peterc10]

Really ........

I'm guessing your grandparents would not back you on that one, it what they fought world wars to ensure never happened.

Are they the same grandparents who were used to carrying an identity card around during and after the war? Or have you asked them?

In Europe only the UK, Norway and Denmark don't have a system for identity cards. And in nearly all of the countries that do have an identity card, it is compulsory.

 

[Brains]

Are they the same grandparents who were used to carrying an identity card around during and after the war? Or have you asked them?

In Europe only the UK, Norway and Denmark don't have a system for identity cards. And in nearly all of the countries that do have an identity card, it is compulsory.

The UK ID cards introduced in 1939 had a sunset clause built in from the start, so that all expired after hostilities/rationing was over and were not replaced.

The thinking then was only totalitarian regimes have ID cards for all citizens

I agree, today the UK is the odd one out re ID cards, if you remember about 15 years ago the government tried to introduce ID cards.
The idea failed (after a lot of money was spent)

Having said which, you will not be getting a job in any reputable company or renting a house from any reputable landlord without a passport.
So in effect the national ID card exists already.

 

[peterc10]

The UK ID cards introduced in 1939 had a sunset clause built in from the start, so that all expired after hostilities/rationing was over and were not replaced.

That is not correct. The use of identity cards was continued by the incoming Labour Government in 1945. They were only abolished in February 1952 by the newly elected Tory Government whose manifesto had included their abolition.

 

[Brains]

Done some digging:
Looks like it was "allowed to lapse"

1952: system lapses

It is unlikely that the identity card system would have been abandoned had it not been for the test case of Willcock v Muckle (1951,49 LGR 584). In this case a driver was stopped in connection with a motoring offence and asked to produce his card. On his refusal to do so, either then or subsequently, lie was charged with an offence under Section 6(4). When the case reached appeal in the King's Bench Division, Lord Chief Justice Goddard delivered a ferocious attack upon police practice:

"Because the police have powers, it does not follow that they ought to exercise them on all occasions as a matter of routine. From what we have been told it is obvious that the police now, as a matter of routine, demand the production of a National Registration Card whenever they stop or interrogate a motorist for whatever cause ... This Act was passed for security purposes: it was never intended for the purposes for which it is now being used"

No separate statistics of offences under the National Registration Act are available for the years 1939-48, since they are hidden under `other misdemeanours'. However, in 1949, 521 people were convicted of offences against the Act; the Criminal Statistics for 1949 give no further details. More detailed figures exist for subsequent years, however. In 1950, 470 (409 men, 61 women) were charged, 436 were convicted, 19 cases were otherwise disposed of, and 15 were dismissed. In 1951, 273 (232 men, 41 women) were charged, 235 were convicted, 16 otherwise disposed of, and 22 dismissed. In 1952, the year the system lapsed, 8 people only were charged, of whom 3 were convicted. For by this time Willcock v Muckle
had taken the carpet from under the police's feet and the government decided to allow the system to lapse.

Source: State Research no 5, April/May 1978 by Tony Bunyan (abridged)

 

[peterc10]

It wasn't allowed to lapse as such. The incoming Tory Government abolished the need for them to be carried in February 1952. Later in May of that year they also repealed the 1939 National Registration Act.

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