North east coast?

[PeteH]

If one person does it many more will follow.

If a lorry driver tests positive it is known his/her route and contacts can be traced and tracked ...... the same is not true for tourists.

The tourist will know where they have been. ? But I see your point, companies have been tracking drivers for some years now. I once got asked why I`d taken a particular route. My reply was. "they closed the M1, Don`t you watch the news?" the reply?, "no, gaffer has the plasma on the tracking so he can see what you buggers are up to"!.

 

[MisterB]

I can see the logic behind the OP's post. On a pure risk assessment basis the 'activity' probably scores very low in terms of probability but extremely high in terms of 'the nature of the risk'. When the 'safety measures' are implemented (social distancing, isolation) then it becomes a low risk activity. However, If a criteria of 'social acceptance' was added to the risk assessment and the probability of prosecution was also factored in, then it would suggest the activity is high risk.
Until the last two criteria have diminished considerably then it would not seem 'safe' to undertake and therefore not sensible to do AT THIS TIME!

 

[busby]

I wish I had your faith in the "System". IMV Money will win out.

As an Aside. I think your "Spill chucker" is have an Uff day. like min oftrn does (Furlongs?) Hope your Son is OK Though?.

Think your spill chucker is like mine,,its actually furloughed,,,I have an excuse though because i am dyslexic,, BUSBY.

 

[MisterB]

why is it that dyslexic people always manage to spell dyslexic correctly ..... ??

 

[busby]

why is it that dyslexic people always manage to spell dyslexic correctly ..... ??

Because i always ask the wife,,she is my spell checker,,,BUSBY

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[The general]

If I travel a few miles in a fully serviced motorhome and have a self isolated walk as exercise, which I am now allowed to do, how does staying overnight in that van, still isolating and having no contact with anyone affect the spread of the virus anymore than driving the few miles back home.

Then take another self isolating walk the day after without having to make two journeys.

In my opinion that is common sense.

I don’t think so

 

[2657]

I don’t think so

Well I do!

Please give your reasons why you think that staying overnight in isolation is any more likely to spread the virus than making two trips on consecutive days.

 

[Skez]

Please give your reasons why you think that staying overnight in isolation is any more likely to spread the virus than making two trips on consecutive days.

It doesn't does it - but somehow the process of 'opening up' has to be managed.

If we all just got in our vans and hit the road it would undoubtedly cause issues of perception that motorhomers don't care about the communities that they visit, and it may alarm and annoy locals.

Give an inch - Take a mile comes to mind! (I don't mean you Matamoros, but that does sometimes seem to be human nature).

 

[2657]

It doesn't does it - but somehow the process of 'opening up' has to be managed.

If we all just got in our vans and hit the road it would undoubtedly cause issues of perception that motorhomers don't care about the communities that they visit, and it may alarm and annoy locals.

Give an inch - Take a mile comes to mind! (I don't mean you Matamoros, but that does sometimes seem to be human nature).

That's where common sense comes into play, unfortunately lacking in many.

It seems completely illogical to open up travel restrictions at all if no thought is put into what happens when people get there.

 

[funflair]

That's where common sense comes into play, unfortunately lacking in many.

It seems completely illogical to open up travel restrictions at all if no thought is put into what happens when people get there.

I think it is obvious that some thought has been put into the travel easing, the process would go along the lines of "oh if we let folk travel I bet they will want to go away in their motorhomes and use their second homes by the coast" "ah quick thinking batman so lets say they have to return home the same day surely they will understand that"

Martin

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[2657]

I think it is obvious that some thought has been put into the travel easing, the process would go along the lines of "oh if we let folk travel I bet they will want to go away in their motorhomes and use their second homes by the coast" "ah quick thinking batman so lets say they have to return home the same day surely they will understand that"

Martin

Not very difficult to understand at all, what is difficult to understand is the logic of letting people travel at all to second homes or anywhere else and then making them return the same day only to legally repeat the process ad infinitum....not very joined up thinking batman!

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Ok, we give up (like the OP HAS- buggered off and left the room) ,

Now Ive given in will you stop? ?

 

[funflair]

Not very difficult to understand at all, what is difficult to understand is the logic of letting people travel at all to second homes or anywhere else and then making them return the same day only to legally repeat the process ad infinitum....not very joined up thinking batman!

Well it means that we and many others can now go and collect our new van that has been sat in the dealers compound for the last 8 weeks all bought and paid for, OK I would also like to be able to go away in it and stoop the night but small steps.

Martin

 

[Minxy]

I wonder what all the long distance truck drivers are doing now, they will certainly be parking up somewhere!

I personally see nothing wrong with parking up somewhere and not coming into contact with anyone, after all is that not what wildcampers aim for.

The basic message is that if you have a PERMANENT HOME and do NOT have to go out as an ESSENTIAL WORKER then you should NOT be staying anywhere overnight expect AT HOME.

Is that clear enough?

 

[2657]

The basic message is that if you have a PERMANENT HOME and do NOT have to go out as an ESSENTIAL WORKER then you should NOT be staying anywhere overnight expect AT HOME.

Is that clear enough?

That is perfectly clear and always has been, what is not clear is the logic or blatant lack of it in this decision.

OK to drive 200 miles to visit, drive 200 miles back then repeat everyday is apparently acceptable, maybe not recommended but legal.....logical?

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[2657]

Ok, we give up (like the OP HAS- buggered off and left the room) ,

Now Ive given in will you stop? ?

It wasn't me that restarted this discussion involving me personally, please refer to #66 by The general , if I am quoted I reserve the right to reply

 

[Minxy]

If I travel a few miles in a fully serviced motorhome and have a self isolated walk as exercise, which I am now allowed to do, how does staying overnight in that van, still isolating and having no contact with anyone affect the spread of the virus anymore than driving the few miles back home.

Then take another self isolating walk the day after without having to make two journeys.

In my opinion that is common sense.

Your 'sense' appears not to be that 'common' as most of us disagree.

It now seems ok for workers to travel to work on overcrowded public transport, look at pictures of the London tube system but not ok to self isolate in my van well away from others.

A teacher this week commented that if primary schools are re opened she will be expected to teach in close proximity to 5 year old's but cannot visit her own grandchildren.

But they are working not just having a 'holiday', social visit etc.

Please give your reasons why you think that staying overnight in isolation is any more likely to spread the virus than making two trips on consecutive days.

That's not the issue though is it ... as others have said if one does it how long do you think it would be before these places would have more and more people on holiday? It the partial 'sacrifice' of one person's freedom in order to protect the majority.

It seems completely illogical to open up travel restrictions at all if no thought is put into what happens when people get there.

Not true, they HAVE thought about it that is WHY you can't stay overnight!

 

[Minxy]

That is perfectly clear and always has been, what is not clear is the logic or blatant lack of it in this decision.

OK to drive 200 miles to visit, drive 200 miles back then repeat everyday is apparently acceptable, maybe not recommended but legal.....logical?

If someone is stupid enough to drive 400 miles each day to visit somewhere 'on a jolly' they are numpties IMV.

 

[2657]

Your 'sense' appears not to be that 'common' as most of us disagree.

That particular post got 6 likes so not all in disagreement

That's not the issue though is it ... as others have said if one does it how long do you think it would be before these places would have more and more people on holiday? It the partial 'sacrifice' of one person's freedom in order to protect the majority.

I am well aware of the issue, and the issue in my case is the illogicality of relaxing the travel rules at all, a degree of common sense is required by us all in using the freedom to travel, if that is not possible then the rules should not have been relaxed.

Not true, they HAVE thought about it that is WHY you can't stay overnight!

Please read my previous posts without blinkers on

 

[2657]

If someone is stupid enough to drive 400 miles each day to visit somewhere 'on a jolly' they are numpties IMV.

Quite correct but under these ill thought out rules it is possible.

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[busby]

Well I do!

Please give your reasons why you think that staying overnight in isolation is any more likely to spread the virus than making two trips on consecutive days.

It's not what we think it's what is law.BUSBY.

 

[David and Sally]

So how about someone living in the North East what visitor numbers have been like today?

Or anywhere else for that matter. Seems like much more traffic out on the roads.

 

[2657]

It's not what we think it's what is law.BUSBY.

Never said it wasn't, questioning the logicality of it.

 

[busby]

Never said it wasn't, questioning the logicality of it.

Well you could go on for hours questioning laws and regulations but at the end of the day they will still be in force.BUSBY.

 

[The Wino]

Well I do!

Please give your reasons why you think that staying overnight in isolation is any more likely to spread the virus than making two trips on consecutive days.

But it's also better for anyone with a second home or a static to do the same or if you know someone who happens to have a spare room with an ensuite or anyone with a caravan. There are lots of other places also where you could stretch things in a way that makes sense to the person trying to stretch the rules. Of course if you stretch all of them you also increase the risk of increased spread and back where we were or better still a proper lockdown for a shorter period.
I think the problem is they relaxed travel for excercise too much if it was 30 or max 40miles it would remote a lot of the temptation.

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[PeteH]

"Rules, are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men". Douglas Bader, Quoting Harry Day.

 

[2657]

Well you could go on for hours questioning laws and regulations but at the end of the day they will still be in force.BUSBY.

That's what I do and we should all do, what is the quote about good men doing nothing for evil to prevail!

 

[Minxy]

That's what I do and we should all do, what is the quote about good men doing nothing for evil to prevail!

So long as it keeps you happy ... some people are easily pleased!

 

[Minxy]

Please read my previous posts without blinkers on

Oh I did, it just gets a bit boring reading the 'same thing' all the time ... I've got a new one for you to 'investigate' ... what came first, the chicken or the egg? (That should keep you busy for a while!).

 

[PeteH]

quis custodiet ipsos custodies. Who will watch the watchers?.

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