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any thoughts on buying ,,should you go for older better spec ,,or a new lower spec van ,,i have seen a 2017 fully loaded with extras ,,adria a class but its £80 i could get a new swift for 10k less but very cheap looking inside and comes with ,,nothing ,,thanks
 
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Go older, get the Bombproof 3.0L if possible👍
Make sure it’s been serviced. I think there maybe such a Carthago AClass available soon :whistle2: LHD though, so not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s got all the toys on👍
 
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Steve N Tracy said:
By going older before 2020 you avoid the problems with AdBlue on Fiat based models.
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Yes this ^^^^^^^^

And if you go 3.0L you avoid the cambelts also😉👍👍

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Older, as long as its's Euro 6.
Earliest Euro 6's are 2014, last Euro 5's are 2016

I'd not touch a Euro 5 engined van as year by year the number of towns and cities you can go into will be more and more restricted.
Euro 6 vans, at the moment, do not have restrictions (although obviously they will come in time).

Only once the Electric Van market has matured, and a decent percentage of vans are electric (like at least a third of them) will they start to ban diesels.
Which means I think you have a least a decade of driving a Euro 6 anywhere in Europe before serious restrictions start to come into place.
Euro 6 vans will still be common on the roads into the 2040's and even the 2050's

Euro 5 vans will be scrappers before the end of the decade.
I'd be seriously annoyed if I had a 2015 Euro 5, as it will be almost worthless at 15 years old.

We have today just scrapped a perfectly good 2009 6.7m Ford Transit minibus, under 50,000 miles, kept inside, no rust, FSH, but as it was Euro 5, it has a higher value for scrap than it does for resale, not even 15 years old.
 
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rob1234 said:
hi its euro 6 ,,we have a 2018 at the moment ,,wife saying we cant get an older one ,,:cry:
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Remember a lot of the 'Pandemic Production' models, (2020-2022) from all companies, were not very good, shortages of staff, parts, base vehicles, massive waiting lists, over charging etc etc.

I think we will look back as the Euro 6's delivered between 2015 and early 2020 as a 'golden era' for motorhome production.

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Brains said:
Older, as long as its's Euro 6.
Earliest Euro 6's are 2014, last Euro 5's are 2016

I'd not touch a Euro 5 engined van as year by year the number of towns and cities you can go into will be more and more restricted.
Euro 6 vans, at the moment, do not have restrictions (although obviously they will come in time).

Only once the Electric Van market has matured, and a decent percentage of vans are electric (like at least a third of them) will they start to ban diesels.
Which means I think you have a least a decade of driving a Euro 6 anywhere in Europe before serious restrictions start to come into place.
Euro 6 vans will still be common on the roads into the 2040's and even the 2050's

Euro 5 vans will be scrappers before the end of the decade.
I'd be seriously annoyed if I had a 2015 Euro 5, as it will be almost worthless at 15 years old.

We have today just scrapped a perfectly good 2009 6.7m Ford Transit minibus, under 50,000 miles, kept inside, no rust, FSH, but as it was Euro 5, it has a higher value for scrap than it does for resale, not even 15 years old.
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I run Euro 3, no intention of changing it, will just stay away from LEZs. None of the places I choose to spend my leisure time are out of bounds.

I can see no good reason for scrapping a serviceable vehicle. Thats a bigger scandal than net zero imho
 
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Phill D said:
are you suggesting that there will be no place for my 2012 Euro 5 in 6 years time?

not a chance :giggle:
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See #13 above
We have, today, scrapped our Van. 2009, low mileage, very clean, taxed and MOT'd to August.
Nothing wrong with it at all. Garaged inside, no expense spared on maintenance etc.
Perfectly good runner for another 10 years, or more if you looked looked after it.
However we have been offered more for scrap to get a Euro 5 off the road than we would be offered second hand as a runner.

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Brains said:
See #13 above
We have, today, scrapped a 2009, low mileage, very clean, van.
Nothing wrong with it at all.
Perfectly good runner for another 10 years or more if looked after.
However we have been offered more for scrap to get a Euro 5 off the road than we would be offered second hand as a runner.
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How much exactly was you given to scrap it?
Can’t see that applying to mohos can you?
I’d better catch up with that Y reg Bedford CF diesel I saw earlier on my dog walk, he might be quids in😁😁😁
 
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jongood said:
I run Euro 3, no intention of changing it, will just stay away from LEZs. None of the places I choose to spend my leisure time are out of bounds.

I can see no good reason for scrapping a serviceable vehicle. Thats a bigger scandal than net zero imho
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You may be correct.
However .......
if it was registered with a London address before a couple of years ago, then today you will be offered several grand over the book price to scrap it.
 
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Brains said:
See #13 above
We have, today, scrapped our Van. 2009, low mileage, very clean, taxed and MOT'd to August.
Nothing wrong with it at all. Garaged inside, no expense spared on maintenance etc.
Perfectly good runner for another 10 years, or more if you looked looked after it.
However we have been offered more for scrap to get a Euro 5 off the road than we would be offered second hand as a runner.
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That’s assuming that you want to change it and I see no reference in post 13 you direct me too about being offered great than it’s market value to scrap the vehicle.

Your scenario may apply to white van man but do you really think that will be the same with motorhomes.

If you did get a high scrap value for a 2009 motorhome we would all be interested in what was that sum and against what exact motorhome.
 
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Phill D said:
That’s assuming that you want to change it and I see no reference in post 13 you direct me too about being offered great than it’s market value to scrap the vehicle.

Your scenario may apply to white van man but do you really think that will be the same with motorhomes.

If you did get a high scrap value for a 2009 motorhome we would all be interested in what was that sum and against what exact motorhome.
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It seems it’s only for the important people in London!🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
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Brains said:
You may be correct.
However .......
if it was registered with a London address before a couple of years ago, then today you will be offered several grand over the book price to scrap it.
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And those of us who do not live in London!

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Brains said:
However we have been offered more for scrap to get a Euro 5 off the road than we would be offered second hand as a runner.
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So economically it makes sense for you.

How does that translate in your view for those of us who own older motorhomes? Will we all be offered economically favourable terms to take a Euro 5 or earlier vehicles off the road?

I’m with Jongood I’ll use my van, Euro 3, in a way which means I miss most of the ULEZ zones across Europe. We are in Morocco at the min and I’d say 20% of the French vans here are at least the same age as mine or older, knowing the French they won’t go quietly!!!
 
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WESTY66 said:
How much exactly was you given to scrap it?
Can’t see that applying to mohos can you?
I’d better catch up with that Y reg Bedford CF diesel I saw earlier on my dog walk, he might be quids in😁😁😁
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£11,500 to scrap it.

David Fishwick (Bank of Dave fame) sells them for about £10-11k but that includes his markup, he would buy at around £8-9k

As far as I'm aware the scrappage offer is for all older vehicles, cars, vans whatever.
They just want the Euro 5's and older off the roads ASAP.
 
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Brains said:
Older, as long as its's Euro 6.
Earliest Euro 6's are 2014, last Euro 5's are 2016

I'd not touch a Euro 5 engined van as year by year the number of towns and cities you can go into will be more and more restricted.
Euro 6 vans, at the moment, do not have restrictions (although obviously they will come in time).

Only once the Electric Van market has matured, and a decent percentage of vans are electric (like at least a third of them) will they start to ban diesels.
Which means I think you have a least a decade of driving a Euro 6 anywhere in Europe before serious restrictions start to come into place.
Euro 6 vans will still be common on the roads into the 2040's and even the 2050's

Euro 5 vans will be scrappers before the end of the decade.
I'd be seriously annoyed if I had a 2015 Euro 5, as it will be almost worthless at 15 years old.

We have today just scrapped a perfectly good 2009 6.7m Ford Transit minibus, under 50,000 miles, kept inside, no rust, FSH, but as it was Euro 5, it has a higher value for scrap than it does for resale, not even 15 years old.
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Phill D said:
And those of us who do not live in London!
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Maybe register the home of your van ASAP in the centre of a big city!
And if you can, reregister it as being owned by a charity.
LEZ's will be coming sooner or later.
Get in now whilst they are still offering serious money to scrap them.
 
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If you go for the new one allow about 5K to bring it up to the level of the older one

Will need tracker and alarm, solar and batteries (Lithium)?, remis blinds, awning? Tv uprating gas etc
 
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