Motorhome weight label

[Chris116]

Hi, As a newbe can I just ask for confirmation of the meaning of the different weight limits shown on the Burster label on our TD745 please? I believe it's showing Max Gross weight 3850, Max towing weight 5750, 1 = front axel 1850 & 2 = rear axle 2000. If so my trip to our local weigh bridge gave me a shock 2160 at the rear with only basic ready to go holiday stuff on board, BBQ, table chairs, wind break, ramps etc full fuel 10ltrs water, food, 2 adults + dog

 

[pappajohn]

That's correct.
You need to lose weight.
Many vans have very little payload.

 

[Lenny HB]

Yes, you are correct.

You can uprate the rear axle to 2240kg by fitting semi air rear suspension, for a Fiat chassis you can do it yourself for about £500 or fitted about £1000. If its an Al-Ko chassis cost is about £3000.
If you have 15" wheels you will need to change the tyres to 225 section.

 

[Guigsy]

You are correct. And this is common. Many vans are over weight.

As pappajohn said, you need to reduce your load. You might find shifting load forward of the rear axle helps a little.

 

[Minxy]

Hi and welcome to the Fun house!

If this is what you have there's no way you are going to be able to run at 3500kg as it only had 370kg payload originally (if you believe them!).

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/reviews/motorhomes/b%C3%BCrstner-harmony-line-td-745-motorhome

Assuming it's on the Fiat chassis at the rear then semi air will raise your rear axle capacity to 2240kg then you just need to get the increase certified by SVTech (you can't do it yourself).

It'll cost about £800-£1000 I suspect but otherwise you're stuck with a white elephant.

If you bought from a dealer then first thing I'd do is remove everything so it's back as it was when you collected it and get it weighed again then visit said dealer to get them to sort it out as they appear to have sold an unusable MH. They may agree to pay for the work to update etc, or contribute at least. Certainly worth a go.

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[Lenny HB]

Hi and welcome to the Fun house!

If this is what you have there's no way you are going to be able to run at 3500kg as it only had 370kg payload originally (if you believe them!).

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/reviews/motorhomes/b%C3%BCrstner-harmony-line-td-745-motorhome

Assuming it's on the Fiat chassis at the rear then semi air will raise your rear axle capacity to 2240kg then you just need to get the increase certified by SVTech (you can't do it yourself).

It'll cost about £800-£1000 I suspect but otherwise you're stuck with a white elephant.

If you bought from a dealer then first thing I'd do is remove everything so it's back as it was when you collected it and get it weighed again then visit said dealer to get them to sort it out as they appear to have sold an unusable MH. They may agree to pay for the work to update etc, or contribute at least. Certainly worth a go.

Just looked at your link 7.65m at 3500kg that's a joke, almost impossible to run any van over 7m at 3500kg.

 

[RandallC]

Hi, As a newbe can I just ask for confirmation of the meaning of the different weight limits shown on the Burster label on our TD745 please? I believe it's showing Max Gross weight 3850, Max towing weight 5750, 1 = front axel 1850 & 2 = rear axle 2000. If so my trip to our local weigh bridge gave me a shock 2160 at the rear with only basic ready to go holiday stuff on board, BBQ, table chairs, wind break, ramps etc full fuel 10ltrs water, food, 2 adults + dog



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What was the front axle and gross weight?

Maybe possible to move stuff forward if they are OK

 

[hja]

Did you think you were going to run at 3500 or did you know it was heavier? Do you have a C1 license?

 

[Brains]

Hi, As a newbe can I just ask for confirmation of the meaning of the different weight limits shown on the Burster label on our TD745 please? I believe it's showing Max Gross weight 3850, Max towing weight 5750, 1 = front axel 1850 & 2 = rear axle 2000. If so my trip to our local weigh bridge gave me a shock 2160 at the rear with only basic ready to go holiday stuff on board, BBQ, table chairs, wind break, ramps etc full fuel 10ltrs water, food, 2 adults + dog



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As an aside, I presume you have a 'C1' driving licence to enable you to drive up to 7.5t ?

(As you would not be the first person to be sold a motorhome when you only have a conventional car driving licence and therefore can not legally drive the vehicle you have bought)

Also re weight.
You may find by moving a few heavy items forward of the rear axle that the weight will considerably reduce.
There is a complicated calculation the the further the fixed weight is from the rear axle causes an increasing weight on the rear axle.

So a couple of heavy items moved, may go a long way to curing the problem.
(Such as empty the water tank, but put 10L in a jerry can in front of the axle., same weight, different location)

Long term, you probably want to get the weight limit upgraded.

 

[Guigsy]

As an aside, I presume you have a 'C1' driving licence to enable you to drive up to 7.5t ?

(As you would not be the first person to be sold a motorhome when you only have a conventional car driving licence and therefore can not legally drive the vehicle you have bought)

Also re weight.
You may find by moving a few heavy items forward of the rear axle that the weight will considerably reduce.
There is a complicated calculation the the further the fixed weight is from the rear axle causes an increasing weight on the rear axle.

So a couple of heavy items moved, may go a long way to curing the problem.
(Such as empty the water tank, but put 10L in a jerry can in front of the axle., same weight, different location)

Long term, you probably want to get the weight limit upgraded.

Load behind the rear axle acts like a seesaw. A 10kg load in the garage might be lifting 2kg OFF the front axle, and adding 12kg to the rear axle. Placing a 10kg load to a locker in the middle of the van will put roughly 5kg on each axle. So by moving a 10kg load from the garage to a middle locker, you might take 7kg off the rear.

I think you'll make quite a big dent by moving heavy stuff forwards in the van. With a kit diet, you might get it below 3850kg. But long term, you probably need to look at getting a payload upgrade.

I once worked on a project where we were analysing the requirements for a highway recovery vehicle. They needed to carry a lot of recovery gear. All the shortlisted vehicles were all SUVs, but we were having issues with payload limits. One vehicle type was overloaded on the front axle, so we were looking at what kit we could remove to get it back within limits. We actually made it worse by removing the spare wheel... seesaw.

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[Chris116]

As an aside, I presume you have a 'C1' driving licence to enable you to drive up to 7.5t ?

(As you would not be the first person to be sold a motorhome when you only have a conventional car driving licence and therefore can not legally drive the vehicle you have bought)

Also re weight.
You may find by moving a few heavy items forward of the rear axle that the weight will considerably reduce.
There is a complicated calculation the the further the fixed weight is from the rear axle causes an increasing weight on the rear axle.

So a couple of heavy items moved, may go a long way to curing the problem.
(Such as empty the water tank, but put 10L in a jerry can in front of the axle., same weight, different location)

Long term, you probably want to get the weight limit upgraded.

Hi and thanks, yes I’m ok with the license I looked into it before we took the plunge from caravan to motorhome. I’ll go back to basics and strip everything out and weigh what we really need relocating some stuff during transit should help as both gross & front axel were under the maximum.

Just looked at your link 7.65m at 3500kg that's a joke, almost impossible to run any van over 7m at 3500kg.

Thanks Lenny, the van is rated by Burstner at 3850 gross tyres are the original 16” 225x75 I’ve not checked the max load rating but assume they’ll be well within the 2000kg rear axel limit. Not sure how to tell if the chassis is Alko or Fiat however according to the logbook MIRO is 3268kg so I should have a payload of 582kg hence the shock as I’m certain I don’t have anywhere near that so it’s back to stripping everything out and weighing stuff. Weigh bridge weights were 3840 gross 1680 front and the rogue 2160 rear. Thanks for the advice on uprating the rear.

 

[Lenny HB]

They will be OK for up to 2500kg rear axle.
Fiat chassis has leaf springs and painted white. Al-Ko has torsion bar suspension and chassis is galvanised.