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[oldiesontour]

If dvsa can get the ability to fully read all vehicles ECU ( wich is debatable) the I'm sure the remappers will find a way to show what is needed and hide the reality,dpf's a generally fairly reliable..may be an odd sensor or wash out now and again...it would appear Adblue systems are the unreliable and expensive bit...if this is brought into the MOT then a lot of older cars and commercials will end up valueless because of Adblue repair costs,and minimum wage earners in rural areas are going to be without cars

 

[The Wino]

If dvsa can get the ability to fully read all vehicles ECU ( wich is debatable) the I'm sure the remappers will find a way to show what is needed and hide the reality,dpf's a generally fairly reliable..may be an odd sensor or wash out now and again...it would appear Adblue systems are the unreliable and expensive bit...if this is brought into the MOT then a lot of older cars and commercials will end up valueless because of Adblue repair costs,and minimum wage earners in rural areas are going to be without cars

It totally depends on the way that the values of vehicles and cost of fuel changes. I think quite a lot of those minimum wage earners are probably driving vehicles built before Adblue became a thing. As the cost of diesel increases and the cost of EVs reduces it will reach a point where a diesel car is an expensive choice and I think it's going to happen a lot sooner than lot of people think.

 

[oldiesontour]

It totally depends on the way that the values of vehicles and cost of fuel changes. I think quite a lot of those minimum wage earners are probably driving vehicles built before Adblue became a thing. As the cost of diesel increases and the cost of EVs reduces it will reach a point where a diesel car is an expensive choice and I think it's going to happen a lot sooner than lot of people think.

Maybe only time will tell but I think we are a long way from a £2 to 3k ev with reasonable life span remaining and there are a lot of older Adblue diesels heading for that price bracket in the near future .With the unreliable adblue system on our van at 29k miles 5 yrs old we had a choice spend a fortune and be uneasy knowing it could /would go wrong again or spend considerably less and have peace of mind driving it again,however from our own experience and reading others we are now considering selling the van as we have very little confidence in it or any other...it's not about the potential cost it is the hassle of a breakdown in Europe.Only last week the guy who deleted the Adblue offered an engine remap at the same time but didn't recommend it as the gearbox(manual) are sh1 t his word "we have changed loads"

 

[The Wino]

Maybe only time will tell but I think we are a long way from a £2 to 3k ev with reasonable life span remaining and there are a lot of older Adblue diesels heading for that price bracket in the near future .With the unreliable adblue system on our van at 29k miles 5 yrs old we had a choice spend a fortune and be uneasy knowing it could /would go wrong again or spend considerably less and have peace of mind driving it again,however from our own experience and reading others we are now considering selling the van as we have very little confidence in it or any other...it's not about the potential cost it is the hassle of a breakdown in Europe.Only last week the guy who deleted the Adblue offered an engine remap at the same time but didn't recommend it as the gearbox(manual) are sh1 t his word "we have changed loads"

That's a pretty good argument for ditching ice vehicles as quickly as possible! The gearbox thing goes to show it manufacturing and design that's the problem not the emissions targets if some manufacturers can get it right why not others and a manual gearbox is hardly cutting edge technology

 

[oldiesontour]

That's a pretty good argument for ditching ice vehicles as quickly as possible! The gearbox thing goes to show it manufacturing and design that's the problem not the emissions targets if some manufacturers can get it right why not others and a manual gearbox is hardly cutting edge technology

Begs the question if a gearbox is manufactured after all the r&d and real world use can be manufactured badly and as you say not cutting edge tech,what on earth do cutting edge ev's have in store and you won't be doing much in the way of repairs on your drive and not many independent garages repairing them for a while and of course as the site is primarily for motorhome users Me and I'm sure the majority of people on here could neither afford or want one as they are now.

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[The Wino]

Begs the question if a gearbox is manufactured after all the r&d and real world use can be manufactured badly and as you say not cutting edge tech,what on earth do cutting edge ev's have in store and you won't be doing much in the way of repairs on your drive and not many independent garages repairing them for a while and of course as the site is primarily for motorhome users Me and I'm sure the majority of people on here could neither afford or want one as they are now.

Ours is great so far. I think EVs probably have less moving parts than ice vehicles certainly the servicing costs are a lot lower

 

[Guigsy]

Begs the question if a gearbox is manufactured after all the r&d and real world use can be manufactured badly and as you say not cutting edge tech,what on earth do cutting edge ev's have in store and you won't be doing much in the way of repairs on your drive and not many independent garages repairing them for a while and of course as the site is primarily for motorhome users Me and I'm sure the majority of people on here could neither afford or want one as they are now.

EV reliability isn't as bad as the papers are making out. And it'll drastically improve as manufacturers get their heads around the differences. They are drastically less complex than combustion engines, with far fewer moving parts and no worries about containing thousands of explosions per minute, no massive heat gradients and not needing to worry about essential lubricants from being burned off every revolution. The engineering is much more simple. The skills to fix them are different, but there are independents popping up that know how to replace individual cells in battery packs and fix failed components. Don't have to worry about adblue, particulate filters and EGR valves anymore.

 

[oldiesontour]

EV reliability isn't as bad as the papers are making out. And it'll drastically improve as manufacturers get their heads around the differences. They are drastically less complex than combustion engines, with far fewer moving parts and no worries about containing thousands of explosions per minute, no massive heat gradients and not needing to worry about essential lubricants from being burned off every revolution. The engineering is much more simple. The skills to fix them are different, but there are independents popping up that know how to replace individual cells in battery packs and fix failed components. Don't have to worry about adblue, particulate filters and EGR valves anymore.

Just a mountain of electronics as a std ice ECU can easily be £2k fitted I would not want to be on the wrong end of the bill for a ev electrical failure..not that I'm likely to be my 2020 i10 will see me out at maybe 3k miles a year ! Not much fuel saving to be had either..even tho we have 3.6 KW grid tied solar and export is unpaid