LPG problem

[nicholsong]

Maybe you released pressure slightly on the pump button, sufficient to stop the pump.

If that happens one has to return the nozzle to the holder on the pump and wait for the pump to be reset to start again.

You cannot just re-start it by pressing the button again.

 

[poppycamper]

30 ltr tank should take about 27ltrs from empty

As quoted above... 80% of 30ltrs is 24ltrs....so expecting 27ltrs is an overfilled bottle.
Yes I know you said about 27ltrs but this was the point I tried to make to Northernraider above that many members do not know how much gas their tanks/bottles should hold.

 

[Jaws]

As quoted above... 80% of 30ltrs is 24ltrs....so expecting 27ltrs is an overfilled bottle.

Sorry yes, of course you are correct.. my excuse for a brain fart is I am STILL befuddled after the weekend !!

 

[nicholsong]

You cannot fill a lpg tank to its total capacity it has to have room for liquid to expand.

You can if it not fitted with an 80% safety cut-off, e.g. an exchange cylinder like Calor.

 

[poppycamper]

You can if it not fitted with an 80% safety cut-off, e.g. an exchange cylinder like Calor.

Yes indeed, and we are now venturing down the path of (ebay) illegal rigs.
One reason I believe that garages are now clamping down on bottle refilling.
nicholsong, I hope you not advocating the use of illegal top up rigs.
I spent considerable money to fit a proper refillable system only to be stopped at some garages because selfish, greedy and inconsiderate people try to fill totally inappropriate Calor bottles

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[nicholsong]

Yes indeed, and we are now venturing down the path of (ebay) illegal rigs.
One reason I believe that garages are now clamping down on bottle refilling.
nicholsong, I hope you not advocating the use of illegal top up rigs.
I spent considerable money to fit a proper refillable system only to be stopped at some garages because selfish, greedy and inconsiderate people try to fill totally inappropriate Calor bottles

Of course I was not advocating any such thing.

However there has been some opinion, even on this thread, that the pump provides cut-off protection, which it does not.

So I thought it wise to point out that cylinders without 80% cut-off protection can be overfilled.

 

[tonyidle]

Back in the early days of Autogas LPG conversions I owned a Talbot Express petrol motorhome. I decided to convert to LPG to reduce fuel costs. Back then there were many small companies offering conversions few of whom had any real knowledge - most weren't time-served automotive mechanics and had no real knowledge other than that gained from a short Autogas course. They were very defensive when trying to engage them in conversation and none would consider supplying parts. Eventually I found someone who had been involved in LPG cylinder filling and LPG conversion for a considerable time. His business was based near where my daughter was living in Hamilton so I visited him whilst staying near my daughter. He was very easy to talk to, pretty knowledgeable, and had another business supplying commercial fireworks (really!!).

During the course of our conversation he admitted to filling a series of cylinders to 100% so he could take them on an extended (Scottish) road trip without fear of running out of gas. He had them on a trailer attached to his LandRover and left the vehicle and trailer in his barn overnight. In the morning he opened the barn door to a building full of LPG from cylinders venting as they warmed up from fill temperature to air temperature. He said he'd never been so frightened in his life. He got away with it by gently opening the opposite barn door and leaving well alone until the gas cleared before driving off. He did say he'd never do anything so stupid ever again and was well aware of the consequences of accidental ignition.

Makes a smelly gas locker look like a minor problem.

 

[poppycamper]

Of course I was not advocating any such thing.

However there has been some opinion, even on this thread, that the pump provides cut-off protection, which it does not.

So I thought it wise to point out that cylinders without 80% cut-off protection can be overfilled.

Yes Indeed.. did not think for a minute you would be..
However 80% over fill can indeed be achieved even on a properly fitted system as demonstrated recently by a Funster who admitted he kept pressing gas pump button for over 20mins to SQUEEZE as much gas as he possibly could into his tank.

 

[ManTheVan]

Yes Indeed.. did not think for a minute you would be..
However 80% over fill can indeed be achieved even on a properly fitted system as demonstrated recently by a Funster who admitted he kept pressing gas pump button for over 20mins to SQUEEZE as much gas as he possibly could into his tank.

I’d have been more than a bit fed up if I’d had to wait behind HIM!

 

[wanderer]

Not the same problem of the OP but filling of LPG can be problematic at times

This is my story of my first fill of LPG in France a few years ago
pulled up to the pump screwed in the adaptor attached the hose , pressed the button nothing happened other than some French shouted over the tannoy . Removed pump waited for it to reset and reattached pressed the button again nothing other than more French being screamed at me over the tannoy and fists being waived at me from reception . Went through all the moves again and noticed every motorist in the petrol station staring at me , one of them came over and pointed out that I was pressing the emergency cut out button for all the pumps and my green button was around the side .

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[Reallyretired]

I bought a 13kg Safefill bottle from a Funster
I tried to fill at Morrison’s Morecambe Saturday am.
I connected the gun, turned it clockwise and pulled the trigger to lock.
Then opened the valve fully and kept the red button pressed on the pump.
It took 13p but the bottle is almost empty. Released the gun and reconnected and tried again and got 9p worth.
What did I do wrong?

Surprised it took anything. The red button is the emergency stop. The fill button is usually green or black.
The first time I filled up I pressed the red button, and nothing happened, then the attendant came out and told me how it worked. I think they have to reset it somewhere if the red button is pressed.

 

[dunnah01]

I’d have been more than a bit fed up if I’d had to wait behind HIM!

He was probably just waiting for the car in front to do their weekly shop whilst paying for their £5 worth of petrol as many seem to do

 

[RobbyMClark]

Not the same problem of the OP but filling of LPG can be problematic at times

This is my story of my first fill of LPG in France a few years ago
pulled up to the pump screwed in the adaptor attached the hose , pressed the button nothing happened other than some French shouted over the tannoy . Removed pump waited for it to reset and reattached pressed the button again nothing other than more French being screamed at me over the tannoy and fists being waived at me from reception . Went through all the moves again and noticed every motorist in the petrol station staring at me , one of them came over and pointed out that I was pressing the emergency cut out button for all the pumps and my green button was around the side .

Had to give that a "Funny" but really helpful as in France for 2 weeks from Sunday.

 

[gwyntaxi]

I bought a 13kg Safefill bottle from a Funster
I tried to fill at Morrison’s Morecambe Saturday am.
I connected the gun, turned it clockwise and pulled the trigger to lock.
Then opened the valve fully and kept the red button pressed on the pump.
It took 13p but the bottle is almost empty. Released the gun and reconnected and tried again and got 9p worth.
What did I do wrong?

Could it possibly have been the cashier/
kiosk that disabled the pump because a lot of garages will not allow the filling of bottles o forecourts, & only allow you to fill via a filling point set into the side of the van. Just a thought.

 

[Lemut]

Is it possible you have two tanks and one was still full but turned off?

Two gaslow's fitted in this van.

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[swiftsteve]

I bought a 13kg Safefill bottle from a Funster
I tried to fill at Morrison’s Morecambe Saturday am.
I connected the gun, turned it clockwise and pulled the trigger to lock.
Then opened the valve fully and kept the red button pressed on the pump.
It took 13p but the bottle is almost empty. Released the gun and reconnected and tried again and got 9p worth.
What did I do wrong?

I used to have the same trouble at our local morrisons, I could never get more than a few pence in. I went in for one last try, before I got rid of the bottle altogether, and the pump had an out of order sign displayed. I took it to a shell garage a few miles away and it filled easily. All that time I thought I was doing something wrong, even though I followed the instructions to the letter. I have 2 safefills now and always fill them at the same shell garage and have had no trouble at all since.

 

[Stealaway]

I used to have the same trouble at our local morrisons, I could never get more than a few pence in. I went in for one last try, before I got rid of the bottle altogether, and the pump had an out of order sign displayed. I took it to a shell garage a few miles away and it filled easily. All that time I thought I was doing something wrong, even though I followed the instructions to the letter. I have 2 safefills now and always fill them at the same shell garage and have had no trouble at all since.

Morrisons are a recommended filling station for Safefill but their filler nozzle is a night mare. It to big and awkward because of the big plastic guard they fit. You can buy an extension adapter or simply take the bottle out of the cabinet to fill it.

 

[BrianS]

Pump 1 at Exeter Services has issues. Pump 2 works fine ;-)

 

[jockaneezer]

Generally in industry, the emergency "e" stop button is a large red mushroom headed job and the on button is half the size, green and installed in a shroud, however, lpg pumps seem to have the on button as the larger mushroom headed one (for comfort perhaps ?) conditioned to this, I'll admit to pressing the wrong "go" button, totally ignoring the obvious colour difference !