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Not at all. But as the contents of a vehicle on a public highway are regarded in law as being in a public place, an over- enthusiastic copper may take a dim view.
 
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Yes, but not with the boys in blue, but border force on returning to the UK some years back. Have you picked up anyone? Have you been given anything while abroad to bring back? Do you have any drugs on board.... 'Only medication'. Do you have any knives or other weapons. Yes a drawer full, it's a motorhome. Can I see.... Yes of course. Open Habitation door, in he marches. I open the cutlery drawer. Why have you got those.... To prepare food and eat with... It is a motorhome. Long faced twit walks out without another word. No apology. No nothing. Sat there for a while not knowing we were OK to move or not, until another person waved us on.
 
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U.Toadifact said:
Just as well you didn't show him the hammer, mallet, screwdrivers and spanners in your tool kit😁
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Installed some equipment in one of the H block prisons in NI. Went through security had to leave phones there go through the security hoop, car was checked over. Then we drove into a. area where the prisoners were, car was full of tools, including Stanley knifes. anyone could have easily got at them.

Security is often a bit of a joke, MI5 did tighten up their security after the London bombings, couldn't just walk in there as easy as we used to.
 
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meanders said:
Yes, but not with the boys in blue, but border force on returning to the UK some years back. Have you picked up anyone? Have you been given anything while abroad to bring back? Do you have any drugs on board.... 'Only medication'. Do you have any knives or other weapons. Yes a drawer full, it's a motorhome. Can I see.... Yes of course. Open Habitation door, in he marches. I open the cutlery drawer. Why have you got those.... To prepare food and eat with... It is a motorhome. Long faced twit walks out without another word. No apology. No nothing. Sat there for a while not knowing we were OK to move or not, until another person waved us on.
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We had the same happen at the Newcastle ferry terminal. My wife responded yes to the question about knives, the border security agent said "yes I suppose you would have knives" and waved us through.

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Wiltshire police have harassed campers in tents and canal boaters with knives and axes for camping ,firewood use , would not put it past them harassing Mohos either,,, They have form for illegally taking antiques swords and other valuable pre 1954 antiques which are legal from private collections home and even museums and claiming them as illegal Zombie samurai weapons under the 1998 and updated 2021 acts Which is not correct at all.

and destroying them after bullying people into pleading guilty for having ''offensive weapons '' in magistrates court so they can destroy the so called illegal weapons or funding expensive Crown court cases to get justice and compensation as the police and a local prosecutor keep getting the law wrong ...There are currently 2 cases i am aware off for such police malpractice at the moment one involves 3 brown Bess muskets and a pike from a local pub where they had been on display for 175 years and a 16th century Chinese Sword ,,,worth at least £60k .... Which was in a case in a private home .... Also both seizures conducted without warrants ........ The guns are defunct antiques and are not regulated under current firearms laws they fall under obselete antiques and dont even need deactivating ...
 
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It is under well established laws as I understand it.

Carrying a kitchen knife in your belt, or having it in the side pocket of your drivers seat is illegal.
Having it in your kitchen, no problems.

Carry a baseball bat in your boot in a bag with a glove and balls is perfectly legal,
Carrying a baseball bat under your drivers seat not so much.
 
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Knives in motor homes..
There is difference between a knife being in your drawer rather than your door pocket.

I was asked advice about knives on another forum. I replicate my lengthy post for info, it refers mainly to Leatherman tools but easily translates to others implements

Legality.
A Leatherman is only illegal if you don’t have the correct answers

Lock knives
The devil is in the detail. Leathermans normally have a blade which is locked into place or released using a push style button.

They normally have a blade length of 2 3/4” and therefore are, or rather can be, legal…see below

However that depends upon the purpose.

My excuse is that it is a handy space saving tool which I regularly use to maintain my campervan. It is kept in it’s leather pouch (not not readily useable without removal) in the van’s kitchen cutlery draw alongside many sharp and table knives. Therefore, if I wanted to use it to threaten to do harm, then I’d most likely use something more suitable like a long carving knife.



The following is merely a summary of many bits of legislation.

Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives:

  • have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button
  • can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener
Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

  • taking knives you use at work to and from work
  • taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
  • the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, e.g. the kirpan some Sikhs carry
A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.

Knives generally
It is illegal to:

  • sell a knife of any kind to anyone under 18 years old, unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less.
  • carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, e.g. a Swiss Army knife (a "lock knife" does not come into the category of "folding pocket knife" because it is not immediately foldable at all times)
  • carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
  • use any knife in a threatening way (including a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)


So if you want to have a Leatherman.
Think before you carry it.
Perhaps,
  • don’t put it in your trouser pocket
  • Don’t keep it in your glove box or door pocket, better to keep it in the boot
  • if you take it with you on the bike, make it obvious that it is not very accessible. Ie not in the tank bag, but wrapped up in a rag with other tools in the pannier or under the seat??


In short, its up to you to prove the good (enough) reason for having it.

You might have a good reason for having it in your pocket… but it’ll take much more explaining.
 
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U.Toadifact said:
Just curious, but has anyone had a problem with the boys in blue having an issue with the kitchen knives we all carry in our chosen motorised homes?

Anyone heard of anyone else having a problem?
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Can we have some updated terminology please…. Police officers- there have been female police officers for at least 50 years now!
The thought of any officer worrying about what is in the kitchen of your motorhome/campervan or indeed caravan is pretty unbelievable.
We live in a violent world where young people use knives to harm each other but I am unaware of any rogue over 50s motorhomers running amok with weapons….
 
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Oldrat said:
Knives in motor homes..
There is difference between a knife being in your drawer rather than your door pocket.

I was asked advice about knives on another forum. I replicate my lengthy post for info, it refers mainly to Leatherman tools but easily translates to others implements

Legality.
A Leatherman is only illegal if you don’t have the correct answers

Lock knives
The devil is in the detail. Leathermans normally have a blade which is locked into place or released using a push style button.

They normally have a blade length of 2 3/4” and therefore are, or rather can be, legal…see below

However that depends upon the purpose.

My excuse is that it is a handy space saving tool which I regularly use to maintain my campervan. It is kept in it’s leather pouch (not not readily useable without removal) in the van’s kitchen cutlery draw alongside many sharp and table knives. Therefore, if I wanted to use it to threaten to do harm, then I’d most likely use something more suitable like a long carving knife.



The following is merely a summary of many bits of legislation.

Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives:

  • have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button
  • can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener
Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

  • taking knives you use at work to and from work
  • taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
  • the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, e.g. the kirpan some Sikhs carry
A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.

Knives generally
It is illegal to:

  • sell a knife of any kind to anyone under 18 years old, unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less.
  • carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, e.g. a Swiss Army knife (a "lock knife" does not come into the category of "folding pocket knife" because it is not immediately foldable at all times)
  • carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
  • use any knife in a threatening way (including a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)


So if you want to have a Leatherman.
Think before you carry it.
Perhaps,
  • don’t put it in your trouser pocket
  • Don’t keep it in your glove box or door pocket, better to keep it in the boot
  • if you take it with you on the bike, make it obvious that it is not very accessible. Ie not in the tank bag, but wrapped up in a rag with other tools in the pannier or under the seat??


In short, its up to you to prove the good (enough) reason for having it.

You might have a good reason for having it in your pocket… but it’ll take much more explaining.
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If however you are male and black, you are guilty, as any young black male can confirm.

As a Scout Leader, we have to ensure all Black Scouts do not have even the smallest of penknives on camp, as they will be 'randomly' selected.
(40 teenage Scouts (All middle class English, mostly white European, some with Indian, Oriental, Mid-East background, plus three black kids) going through scanners at the airport, guess which three kids were "randomly" selected for a full search)
 
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motorhumour said:
The thought of any officer worrying about what is in the kitchen of your motorhome/campervan or indeed caravan is pretty unbelievable.
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I trust you are not by implication saying I am being untruthful? :wink: Not impressed if you are? I beliveI may have posted about it at the time.
 
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meanders said:
I trust you are not by implication saying I am being untruthful? :wink: Not impressed if you are? I beliveI may have posted about it at the time.
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You have lost me? It’s not your post I quoted?

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motorhumour said:
Can we have some updated terminology please…. Police officers- there have been female police officers for at least 50 years now!
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I see no problems with "Boys in Blue", it is a well known expression not intended to offend anyone.

We also cannot use thin blue line as it may offend the fatties amongst us :p :D :moon2:
 
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jerryz said:
Wiltshire police have harassed campers in tents and canal boaters with knives and axes for camping ,firewood use , would not put it past them harassing Mohos either,,, They have form for illegally taking antiques swords and other valuable pre 1954 antiques which are legal from private collections home and even museums and claiming them as illegal Zombie samurai weapons under the 1998 and updated 2021 acts Which is not correct at all.

and destroying them after bullying people into pleading guilty for having ''offensive weapons '' in magistrates court so they can destroy the so called illegal weapons or funding expensive Crown court cases to get justice and compensation as the police and a local prosecutor keep getting the law wrong ...There are currently 2 cases i am aware off for such police malpractice at the moment one involves 3 brown Bess muskets and a pike from a local pub where they had been on display for 175 years and a 16th century Chinese Sword ,,,worth at least £60k .... Which was in a case in a private home .... Also both seizures conducted without warrants ........ The guns are defunct antiques and are not regulated under current firearms laws they fall under obselete antiques and dont even need deactivating ...
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Are there any links you can provide for the items seized (muskets and chinese sword) as I can only find (on google) muskets that were handed in voluntarily to Wiltshire Police https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/salisbury/news/63-weapons-handed-wiltshire-police/
 
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St3v3 said:
It's in the dictionary...

dictionary.cambridge.org

the boys in blue

1. a humorous name for the police 2. a humorous name for the police
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org
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So what? Strange logic, there. “The dictionary” has lots of offensive terms.

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suavecarve said:
Are there any links you can provide for the items seized (muskets and chinese sword) as I can only find (on google) muskets that were handed in voluntarily to Wiltshire Police https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/salisbury/news/63-weapons-handed-wiltshire-poliI will
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suavecarve said:
Are there any links you can provide for the items seized (muskets and chinese sword) as I can only find (on google) muskets that were handed in voluntarily to Wiltshire Police https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/salisbury/news/63-weapons-handed-wiltshire-police/
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I have not seen anything on local public news about these cases either , but its common knowledge round here and i have seen the antique sword in question as it belonged to a horse breeder that my daughter used to work for .
 
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I was asked by border force five or six years ago if I had any knives, to which I replied yes.
The officer then asked to see them and I showed him the content of my motorhome kitchen drawer, amongst which were three kitchen knives from a 10 inch blade down to a small paring knife. He said 'ok that's fine', I shut the drawer and we continued on our way.
 
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St3v3 said:
And they are labelled as such. That is not.
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Er, yes …

I’m struggling with your logic, here (and I find poor logic in discourse to be far more offensive than most “offensive” terms).

You can construct an extremely offensive statement from perfectly normal/innocent words, so we can’t. much judge from inclusion and labelling in a dictionary (not “the” dictionary, as different versions differ considerably).

The original “complaint” about the phrase ‘boys in blue’ was well-meant, I think. How must it feel, to be a hard-working and effective police woman, to have casual mentions of the police specifically restricted to only the male officers?

I’m sure the original use here of the phrase wasn’t intended to cause any offence at all, and very little damage was done. What’s much more offensive, though, is to fight back and “justify’ its use, rather than just say “Good point!”.
 
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Right, let me make this clear before it gets out of hand.

My reference to "boys in blue" was never intended to offend anyone and I apologise if it has done so. However if this forum is to remain largely good humoured and friendly it maybe that some folk should cut others some slack and refrain from taking offence when clearly none was intended.

If that is not sufficient for the more sensitive members then I will happily leave the forum for good. I don't need a pile of grief for an innocent remark.

The ball is in your court.
 
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