Is this a scam by Car / Van manufacturers ? (1 Viewer)

[Sandancers]

Watch the video below and be aware. And if you think those vehicle manufacturers wouldn't do that, just remember the software in which manipulated air pollution tests was discovered in vehicles from some car makers.

 

[dunnah01]

dpfs have always been a maintenance item. They are intended to last about 100-150k miles with a couple of cleans and the normal type of regeneration. There will always be slight fuel contamination and hardening of sooty deposits on the ceramics over the engine life no matter how careful you are with the fuel type etc.. Cleans and forced regens can extend things for a little while but once they are getting old then the end is inevitable.

 

[Gromett]

dpfs have always been a maintenance item. They are intended to last about 100-150k miles with a couple of cleans and the normal type of regeneration. There will always be slight fuel contamination and hardening of sooty deposits on the ceramics over the engine life no matter how careful you are with the fuel type etc.. Cleans and forced regens can extend things for a little while but once they are getting old then the end is inevitable.

That's what he said. He is quibbling that they are forcing a £2K replacement for a filter that is not at the end of it's life.

 

[dunnah01]

That's what he said. He is quibbling that they are forcing a £2K replacement for a filter that is not at the end of it's life.

Ah - I didn't get all the way through the video. I know it's pretty common knowledge in the diy car world that resetting the kilometres since last dpf replacement and doing a forced regen (on older Fiat/Alfa/chrysler vehicles) will reset the clock of the dpf and give you a lot more life (if the pressure differential is ok). The garages and specialists should be well ahead of the diy mob.

 

[nicholsong]

I am glad that I have a comparatively simple FIAT 2.8jtd. Like I had a simple Merc OM636(built 1978) in my boat, the original design was made by a German PoW in UK at end of WWII. Put in some diesel and air, compress it and away you go, and it is still running

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[TheBig1]

The whole idea of planned obsolescence built into the ECU coding is a real scandal. Parts designed to just stop working is hardly good for the environment. With the car in the video, he proves it as the live data shows the DPF is working fine. Just resetting the counter fixes the fault. Obviously the criminally devious car manufacturers don't want this to be common knowledge

 

[appydaze]

Falwty Towers, builders brother

 

[Head Gardener]

Like many diesel drivers, yesterday I had the dreaded "reduce oil level!!! " message. The motoring Goddesses were feeling helpful because I was in my local town about 200m from the garage I have used for 17 years.

Bless this company but I was sent to the free coffee machine and a comfy chair, and 45 minutes later excess oil had been siphoned out, van taken for a test run, and everything sorted.

The problem is caused by a DPF Regen being interrupted causing the excess fuel that has not yet been burnt off to be dumped into the engine thus diluting the oil and raising the fluid levels. Talking to the Service Manager whilst waiting he said I should not beat myself up because they do this multiple times a week for diesel drivers, the cause being 'normal world' driving which often comprises many short (under 10 mile) journeys.

So in order to save my Euro 6 environment-compliant engine getting completely stuffed up (technical term) by driving only 2 miles to the supermarket I need to actually drive 10 miles out of my way using far more fuel, putting additional contaminants into the atmosphere.

I NEVER had this problem with my previous van - a 2018 Peugeot Boxer with a wonderfully solid and reliable non-Euro 6 engine.

 

[gus-lopez]

My mates Citroën C5 has the dpf problem. We have cleaned it even though it hardly needed doing & it requires the service light resetting but won't do it due to the kilometres being reached

 

[ontheroadagain]

Bless this company but I was sent to the free coffee machine and a comfy chair, and 45 minutes later excess oil had been siphoned out, van taken for a test run, and everything sorted.

I hope they actually changed the oil.

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[SpeedyDux]

Ah - I didn't get all the way through the video. I know it's pretty common knowledge in the diy car world that resetting the kilometres since last dpf replacement and doing a forced regen (on older Fiat/Alfa/chrysler vehicles) will reset the clock of the dpf and give you a lot more life (if the pressure differential is ok). The garages and specialists should be well ahead of the diy mob.

Yes they should, but in reality will the Fiat Professional workshop do what would be in the best interests of the MH customer, reset the mileage counter, and clear the fault codes; or, go by the book and replace the otherwise working DPF unnecessarily? I suspect they will cover their backside and advise the customer that a replacement new DPF is the best (but expensive) option, otherwise the van will fail its MOT test.

 

[DandJ]

Talking to the Service Manager whilst waiting he said I should not beat myself up because they do this multiple times a week for diesel drivers, the cause being 'normal world' driving which often comprises many short (under 10 mile) journeys.

So in order to save my Euro 6 environment-compliant engine getting completely stuffed up (technical term) by driving only 2 miles to the supermarket I need to actually drive 10 miles out of my way using far more fuel, putting additional contaminants into the atmosphere.

There's an element of mis-selling diesel vehicles to people who only do fairly irregular long journeys. (Not suggesting this is the case for you but look at some of the 3 and 4 year old small diesel cars for sale with sub 10k miles...scandalous) It's been going on for years (probably not now since diesels have become the vehicles of the devil)

 

[gus-lopez]

I suspect they will cover their backside and advise the customer that a replacement new DPF is the best (but expensive) option, otherwise the van will fail its MOT test.

which is exactly what the situation was in the video & what he cleared by resetting the dpf mileage counter

 

[SpeedyDux]

There's an element of mis-selling diesel vehicles to people who only do fairly irregular long journeys. (Not suggesting this is the case for you but look at some of the 3 and 4 year old small diesel cars for sale with sub 10k miles...scandalous) It's been going on for years (probably not now since diesels have become the vehicles of the devil)

Those older diesel car owners are increasingly being persecuted, thanks to the introduction of expanding ULEZ and CAZ zones, with restrictions that get ratcheted up to become even tougher as time goes on, with onerous daily charges, and heavy fines. Bristol even has a total ban on diesel vehicles in some city centre streets. Mayor Khan wants to send non-compliant cars and vans to Ukraine instead of being scrapped. How does using them in Ukraine benefit the environment? All that does is shift air pollution to another country.

 

[Head Gardener]

I hope they actually changed the oil.

I did not ask them to do that. This garage gave the van a major service 3 weeks ago (so oil was changed then) and for one reason and another I have hardly moved off the driveway since. Yes, there may be some dilution from yesterday's incident but I believe the staff when I was told the excess was removed and I will keep a close eye on the levels going forward.

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[Head Gardener]

There's an element of mis-selling diesel vehicles to people who only do fairly irregular long journeys. (Not suggesting this is the case for you but look at some of the 3 and 4 year old small diesel cars for sale with sub 10k miles...scandalous) It's been going on for years (probably not now since diesels have become the vehicles of the devil)

Isn't it often the case that you do not know what you don't know?

I knew I wanted a "VeeDub". Been fantasising about that sort of van for more than a couple of decades and I admit that once I knew the van I was looking at was a good spec (Highline, Auto, only a year old, etc. ) I was far more interested in the camper-side conversion than the base vehicle itself.

Would knowing about the Regen issues have stopped me? Probably not, but it will definitely be a factor in a year or so when I get itchy feet and want to change vans again.

 

[TheBig1]

Isn't it often the case that you do not know what you don't know?

I knew I wanted a "VeeDub". Been fantasising about that sort of van for more than a couple of decades and I admit that once I knew the van I was looking at was a good spec (Highline, Auto, only a year old, etc. ) I was far more interested in the camper-side conversion than the base vehicle itself.

Would knowing about the Regen issues have stopped me? Probably not, but it will definitely be a factor in a year or so when I get itchy feet and want to change vans again.

It isn't too bad if it was only a minimal amount of dilution, but these modern engines are designed with miniscule clearances so the grade of oil is absolutely critical to prevent damage

 

[gus-lopez]

Mayor Khan wants to send non-compliant cars and vans to Ukraine instead of being scrapped.

No he didn't 'want' to ,he was totally against. he was forced in to it .

How does using them in Ukraine benefit the environment?

it doesn't .then again with the emissions going on over there at the moment who's worried?

All that does is shift air pollution to another country.

My nuclear strike would solve the pollution worries.